Idea for a TRUE Slant Six Challenge class

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it would improve weight transfer.
13" wheels for lower rotating mass...
 
Curious.... Why no 833 ? And why a 3000# weight limit ? Weren't quite a few lighter than 3k stock ?
I would think that concentrating on weight transfer / gearing and rolling resistance could go a long ways in this endeavor.

I don't know a whole lot about /6 cars but I've always been interested in modifying one.
 
whitepunkonnitro said:
I would limit trans choices to either stock converter 904 or either 903/230 3 speeds.
Any gear ratio in that 7.25 you want, as long as it was factory available.
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4 speeds were a factory option with a Slant in 64-66. Hopefully it won't be that selective when it comes to factory parts.
Fastest car wins the prize? What happens if a guy drives several hundred miles with 2.94s and another trailers his with 4.10s?
Sounds like it should be bracket racing with a few classes based on mods.
 
KosmicKuda said:
4 speeds were a factory option with a Slant in 64-66. Hopefully it won't be that selective when it comes to factory parts.
Fastest car wins the prize? What happens if a guy drives several hundred miles with 2.94s and another trailers his with 4.10s?
Sounds like it should be bracket racing with a few classes based on mods.
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I think you are missing the point of the class.
The whole idea is to use nothing but the most common, cheap parts. Yes, 4 speeds were available, but those cars would have a runaway advantage, forcing everyone to run out and buy one or be completely uncompetitive.
As for driving or trailer, that's up to the individual.
The overall appeal to this would be the heads-up, no breakout nature, so brackets would be out of the question.
 
But if you can modify the car with a big throttle plate, then sending the cam off to be custom grind would be next. It could get expensive, unless the rules were well thought over. That is why stock eliminator class engines can easily cost 10k or more, and be "stock heads, lift, etc. etc.
 
318willrun said:
But if you can modify the car with a big throttle plate, then sending the cam off to be custom grind would be next. It could get expensive, unless the rules were well thought over. That is why stock eliminator class engines can easily cost 10k or more, and be "stock heads, lift, etc. etc.
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I would be totally in favor of a $500 claimer rule for the entire engine assembly.
 
If you restrict it too much you will alienate a lot of racers. I say cam changes and gear changes plus any factory made components.
That would promote creativity .
 
whitepunkonnitro said:
Let me add, that if I have any control over the final rules, it will absolutely be the most restrictive class in the entire history of Drag Racing
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Did Wally Parks come back from the dead? :)
If someone claimed my engine I'd have no way to get home. I don't have access to cheap parts, there aren't any slanty's in the junkyards around here. So I completely rebuilt mine. (Yep, it cost more than 500)

By the way.....seriously....do you have a driveshaft to fit a 64 Valiant (106" wheelbase) with a splined 4 speed? (66 style) My 3 on the tree jams just going to the ice cream store and when I run it down the Strip this summer I want to make it the full quarter mile.
 
whitepunkonnitro said:
You can use an aluminum block, but the 3000 pound minimum weight would make that pretty futile.
I would limit trans choices to either stock converter 904 or either 903/230 3 speeds.
Any gear ratio in that 7.25 you want, as long as it was factory available.
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"It would almost be difficult to spend money on a car like this" and with that you completey lost me.
With this stock every thing approach,, just taking 904 trannys as an example,,exactly who will be the transmission guru that will be reviewing the 904's: valve bodies, clutch packs and drive hubs to verify that the tranny components are 'stock', that is without even mentioning torque converters, as I would expect that at some point in time someone will put 9 inch TQ vanes inside a 'stock' appearing TQ,, All of this tear down inspection cost is on top of all the tear down effort and and time,,,who pays for that?
Put a low claimer fee on the drive train and you end up with junk on the track that no track promoter will want.

, all of that is avoided with bracket racing. Build the slant six car of your dreams.
Know the car, Know yourself, figure out the track, project an ET and let it rip.
A 12 second slant car against an 18 second slant car is actually great racing. The driver with the knowledge of his car and track wins, it is that simple.

a great place to do bracket racing is with the Slant Six.org racing group ,, there is an East Coast and a West Coast and a developing Mid country section group. Run what you brung, few rules, great folks,

again, I don't want to rain on your parade,, but if you want to race an absolutely stock 1 bbl slant six car, there is a way to do that today,,, know your car and you can be very successful.
 
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my68barracuda said:
"It would almost be difficult to spend money on a car like this" and with that you completey lost me.
With this stock every thing approach,, just taking 904 trannys as an example,,exactly who will be the transmission guru that will be reviewing the 904's: valve bodies, clutch packs and drive hubs to verify that the tranny components are 'stock', that is without even mentioning torque converters, as I would expect that at some point in time someone will put 9 inch TQ vanes inside a 'stock' appearing TQ,, All of this tear down inspection cost is on top of all the tear down effort and and time,,,who pays for that?
Put a low claimer fee on the drive train and you end up with junk on the track that no track promoter will want.

, all of that is avoided with bracket racing. Build the slant six car of your dreams.
Know the car, Know yourself, figure out the track, project an ET and let it rip.
A 12 second slant car against an 18 second slant car is actually great racing. The driver with the knowledge of his car and track wins, it is that simple.

a great place to do bracket racing is with the Slant Six.org racing group ,, there is an East Coast and a West Coast and a developing Mid country section group. Run what you brung, few rules, great folks,

again, I don't want to rain on your parade,, but if you want to race an absolutely stock 1 bbl slant six car, there is a way to do that today,,, know your car and you can be very successful.
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What he said.
 
ego is what makes people need to be winners. racing, foot races, whatever. I believe the key to this slant race deal here being discussed is a class where ego if wayyy down the priority list of necessity?? a class for people that enjoy heads up racing, and losing is not a problem. but the key is sharing info, building friendships, FUN!?? that would be what would make it work, and not every person would have an interest in it nor would every personality fit in??
 
whitepunkonnitro said:
This is something I think can bring out the best of the thinkers and tuners in the world of Slant Six racing, and be affordable and basic enough that everyone who chose to, could participate and actually have a chance to be competitive.
A heads up, no breakout class, run off a Pro Tree...sounds expensive so far, huh?
The cars would have to be constructed 100% from regular assembly line parts.
Single barrel carb, stock exhaust manifold.. Only gears and trans components that were available from the factory. Same for engine components. Stock or replacement pistons, stock lift and duration camshafts and valve sizes. Factory ignition systems.
DOT tires, 3000 pound minimum weight.
Zero power adders.
Outside of all that, ANYTHING goes.
I would set up a car for this in a heartbeat.
What do you guys think?
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Great idea! We have a racing class in Australia for "HQ Holdens". These were a mass produced working mans car from 1971-1974, they are running under rules with a similar theme you suggest, in this case: six cylinder 202 cubic inch, three speed gearbox, floor change conversion permitted, its a great affordable way of getting into circuit racing! Good luck with this...
 
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