Is there any way to PERMAMENTLY eliminate rear main oil leaks?

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Thanks for all the great replies to my inquiry. I'll be sending them along to my engine builder, and I'm confident that we can correct this. In the mean time, it's a lovely morning up here in the tundra. Nineteen degrees below zero as actually measured in my back yard this morning (see photo). Dusty is chomping at the bit and wants to be sucking down our cold thick air, converting gasoline into noise and heat. So off we shall go on a five hour round trip. There's something very satisfying about a fifty two year old car running perfectly (and yes, leaking a bit of oil), doing exactly what she was designed and built to do in the coldest of weather conditions. Cheers!

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They are available for the big block, which is the same seal as the slant 6, so I may try that. I'm not 100% sure my seal is even leaking, but if I pull it back out, it's gettin one. lol
if i'd know at the time they did the 1 piece for mopar big block id have had one of those
still the wrong size for my engine but...its mopar not pontiac, and a bit less to cut off for my 2.5 inch seal surface
dave
 
My 67 ...but not sure of engine year
Has a 198 .crank has groves in crank
Were is the build date ...and ill post
 
I will tell you that I took apart a 1984 roller cam 318 and it had a rope seal.
Ma Mopar did many things so who knows ?

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Thanks for all the great replies to my inquiry. I'll be sending them along to my engine builder, and I'm confident that we can correct this. In the mean time, it's a lovely morning up here in the tundra. Nineteen degrees below zero as actually measured in my back yard this morning (see photo). Dusty is chomping at the bit and wants to be sucking down our cold thick air, converting gasoline into noise and heat. So off we shall go on a five hour round trip. There's something very satisfying about a fifty two year old car running perfectly (and yes, leaking a bit of oil), doing exactly what she was designed and built to do in the coldest of weather conditions. Cheers!

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BTW, has anyone ever noticed the little cup cutouts on the glove compartment lid? Its a small thing, but handy for those little water bottles. Took this photo on the interstate yesterday.

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BTW, has anyone ever noticed the little cup cutouts on the glove compartment lid? Its a small thing, but handy for those little water bottles. Took this photo on the interstate yesterday.

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I have noticed them and have used them in the pass. I always thought they were for coffee cups, before manufactures started suppling other means to hold cups. I have also noticed the holders were made for small cups, not the ones we use today. I guess we can call that compartment, the coffee holder, instead of the "Glove Box".
 
They way I drove
You couldn't keep coffee in your cup unless the lid was screwed on
 
Bearing size is not my point. Everybody else's straight 6 engines have 7 mains.
This, again?

Bearing size (total bearing area) absolutely is the point; the crank is supported well more than adequately, and it's more than rigid enough for 4 vs 7 not to matter. Time has proven it; the Slant-6 bottom end routinely holds up for at least as long as the other-brand inline-6 engines marketed at the same time, and often longer—even the post-mid-'76 forged-crank ones with the smaller bearings. Even with extensive power upgrades.

This same baseless whinge—Eeeeeee, it only has four main bearings instead of seven, eeeeee!—was blathered in the 1960s by lazy, sloppy auto journalist Jan Norbye. He seemed never to miss an opportunity to cluck his tongue and scold the Slant-6 for having only four main bearings. He bìtсhed about this nonissue again and again and again. We see it here in this 1966 Popular Science article comparing the Valiant with the junk the other big three were peddling; lookit how he pretends to be astonished that the Slant-6 is so smooth and quiet despite having (tsk!) only (tsk!) four (tsk!) main bearings (tsk!):

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When he wrote this the first Slant-6s were only 6 years old, so their durability wasn't yet the matter of legend it is now, almost 60 years later. But I still don't give him a pass; he was given to spouting bozo opinions (“today’s drivers prefer warning lights rather than gauges”) and incorrect, made-up factoids ("The Torqueflite lacks water cooling"), then snappishly defending them when called out in letters to the editor saying he was full of beans. That's the pile of sewage this only-four-main-bearings-it's-a-wonder-the-Slant-6-runs-at-all idea belongs in.

Thiz another example of latching onto one little slice of theory, which might be perfectly valid, and making like it's the only factor in whatever is under discussion—ignoring other factors that can easily overwhelm and nullify the one latched onto.
 
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This, again?

Bearing size (total bearing area) absolutely is the point; the crank is supported well more than adequately, and it's more than rigid enough for 4 vs 7 not to matter. Time has proven it; the Slant-6 bottom end routinely holds up for at least as long as the other-brand inline-6 engines marketed at the same time, and often longer—even the post-mid-'76 forged-crank ones with the smaller bearings. Even with extensive power upgrades.

This same baseless whinge—Eeeeeee, it only has four main bearings instead of seven, eeeeee!—was blathered in the 1960s by lazy, sloppy auto journalist Jan Norbye. He seemed never to miss an opportunity to cluck his tongue and scold the Slant-6 for having only four main bearings. He bìtсhed about this nonissue again and again and again. We see it here in this 1966 Popular Science article comparing the Valiant with the junk the other big three were peddling; lookit how he pretends to be astonished that the Slant-6 is so smooth and quiet despite having (tsk!) only (tsk!) four (tsk!) main bearings (tsk!):

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When he wrote this the first Slant-6s were only 6 years old, so their durability wasn't yet the matter of legend it is now, almost 60 years later. But I still don't give him a pass; he was given to spouting bozo opinions (“today’s drivers prefer warning lights rather than gauges”) and incorrect, made-up factoids ("The Torqueflite lacks water cooling"), then snappishly defending them when called out in letters to the editor saying he was full of beans. That's the pile of sewage this only-four-main-bearings-it's-a-wonder-the-Slant-6-runs-at-all idea belongs in.

Thiz another example of latching onto one little slice of theory, which might be perfectly valid, and making like it's the only factor in whatever is under discussion—ignoring other factors that can easily overwhelm and nullify the one latched onto.
I am thinking more of the overall strength of the engine. The 225 was rated at what 145 horse. It was designed and built with a strong enough bottom end to support that. I am surprised that any added power enhancements can live with the4 main block. Like I said, it must have a strong crankshaft. I am surprised Ma Mopar didn't build any 6 cylinders any bigger than the 225. That is undersized compare to the GM 230, 250, and 292 and the Fords 240,250, and 300 all which were 7 main engines. I come from John Deere country and none of their gas or diesel's would live any length of time if they were 4 main engines. Just not strong enough.
 
I am thinking more of the overall strength of the engine.

…which has also more than proved itself over the last 65 years.

The 225 was rated at what 145 horse.

In stock 1bbl form, yes. 196 (conservatively) with the '60-'61 Hyper-Pak setup, and over the years a lot of people have made a lot more than that with them. High compression, turbochargers, superchargers…it's all been done, and the motor stays together.

I am surprised that any added power enhancements can live with the4 main block.

Donno what to tell ya…reality is surprising sometimes.


I am surprised Ma Mopar didn't build any 6 cylinders any bigger than the 225.

They did (245, 265) in Australia. They looked at enlarging the \6 to 246, but a wall in the block got in the way; they didn't want to spend the money to rework it.

I come from John Deere country and none of their gas or diesel's would live any length of time if they were 4 main engines. Just not strong enough.
Fair enough, but this ain't that.

(Chrysler did put seven main bearings in the diesel Slant-6)
 
I am thinking more of the overall strength of the engine. The 225 was rated at what 145 horse. It was designed and built with a strong enough bottom end to support that. I am surprised that any added power enhancements can live with the4 main block. Like I said, it must have a strong crankshaft. I am surprised Ma Mopar didn't build any 6 cylinders any bigger than the 225. That is undersized compare to the GM 230, 250, and 292 and the Fords 240,250, and 300 all which were 7 main engines. I come from John Deere country and none of their gas or diesel's would live any length of time if they were 4 main engines. Just not strong enough.
I have a tuff 6 cylinder, it's a Cummins 5.9, 2005 in a Ram 2500
 
Yeah the first few years they put those in a Dodge truck they were only 160hp but 400# torque.
Those numbers were actually cast in on the manifold of my son's 92 when he had it
Another truck that I wish he would have kept
 
It's probably about 8 yrs since I did a 100% rebuild on my 64 225. It most definitely had a rope seal. I think my rebuild gasket kit included a rope seal but I thought I'd update it with a "modern" lip seal. Also I was yrying to maximize power and a rope creates more drag.

I do remember the seal area on the crank had a directional knurling designed to direct oil toward tge seal. I'm pretty sure I smoothed that out some with some fine sandpaper shoe shine style. I don't think anyone has talked about that knurling.

I just checked the Dutra /6 book and he devotes 2 pages to rear main sealing.

A lip seal needs a smooth finish on the mating surface for any hope of sealing properly. I worked on gearbox design and stuff back in the 80's. If memory serves me correctly, we'd specify a finish of 8 micro inches on shafts in the seal area. That's a polish not a grind.

I remember servicing our equipment in power plants all around the country and every one seemed to have a drip pan under our older gearboxes. That was embarrassing to me and after investigating, tracked it down to oil weeping through between a key and it's keyway but that's another story. It was a design flaw started long before my time.

I may investigate a fix for the six but in the mean time, if I ever have my bottom end apart, I might go rope and lose a few oz-in of power.
 
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