Match Race ~ 1967 Barracuda 383-S vs. 1965 Chevy 'II' Nova SS 327/300 HP

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1967 Plymouth Barracuda 383-S 'Notchback'
vs.
1965 Chevy 'II' Nova 'Super Sport' - 327/300 HP

Shipping Weights
1967 Barracuda 'Notchback' ............ #3119 lbs.

1965 Chevy 'II' Nova Super/Sport .... #2885 lbs.

Can the 'Low-RPM' Torque-Beast 383 run down the 'High-Revving' Small Block
with a 234 lb. Weight Advantage.

'Stock' vs. 'Stock'
Transmissions ....... 4-Speed 'A-833' vs. 4-Speed 'M-20'
Gears ................... 3.91 'Sure-Grip vs. 3.73 'Posi-Traction'
 
1965 327/300 HP ~ 'L-74'

Features
* Compression-Ratio ...... 10.5-1 {Flat-Top Pistons w/Notches}
* Double-Hump #3782461 Cylinder Heads
* Valve Sizes ...... 1.94" Intake ~ 1.50" Exhaust
* Combustion Chamber ........ 62.0 CC's {Factory}
* #3844459 ~ Cast Iron Dual-Plane Medium-Rise Intake w/Larger Runners
* Exhaust Manifold Outlets ...... 2.50"

* Carter AFB Carburetor #3721S
* Special Unit .........Rated @ 665 CFM's
* Throttle Body Sizes ...... 1 9/16" x 1 11/16"
* Venturi Sizes ............... 1.250" x 1.562"
* Jet Sizes ..................... .0995" Main ~ .067" Secondary

Camshaft 'Hydraulic' #3733431
Lift ...................... .399"/.399"
Duration ................ 256*/262*
Duration @ .050" .... 194*/203*
Overlap .................. 43*
LSA ....................... 112*
CL ......................... 108*
 
I never thought of a 383 (or the 400) as a "low RPM" engine considering its 3.38 stroke.... Shorter than many small blocks.
 
383 has a slightly longer stroke than the 327 but a shorter stroke than the Chev. 350 (3.480)
 
mguner said:
I never thought of a 383 (or the 400) as a "low RPM" engine considering its 3.38 stroke.... Shorter than many small blocks.
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1967 '383'

* Restricted Exhaust System
* Low-Plane Intake Manifold
* Small Venturi Carter AFB Carburetor
* Low-Rate Valve Springs
 
Sneaky Option

The 'M-21' Close-Ratio 4-Speed Transmission was available for the 327/300 HP 'L-74'.

It would have made that light 'Shoe Box' very deadly on the Street
with the 'optional' set of 3.73 Gears.

And with 15" Tires and 4.10's ............ That Chevy 'II' could fly.
 
1965 Chevy 'II' Nova 'Super Sport' ~ 327/300 HP

Performance Times from 'Back-in-the-Day' Magazines

Super Stock and Drag Illustrated

* 4-Speed ~ M-21 'Close-Ratio' Transmission ~ 3.73 Gears

With 'optional' Stock Tires {7.35 x 14"} .. 14.83 @ 95.25 MPH

With 7" Prowler Slicks ........................... 14.55 @ 97.44 MPH
 
Frank,

In 1967, the Barracuda '383-S'.

> Gear Ratios for the 4-Speed ....... 3.23 ~ 3.55 ~ 3.91
> Gear Ratios for the Automatic ..... 3.23 ~ 3.55
 
I had a 70 Chevelle with a 300 hp 350 and the M22 wide ratio 4 speed, 3.23ish gears and a peg leg rear that shure felt faster then my Dakota which ran 15 flat. I would think the lighter Nova would be a low 14 sec car not high 14 sec.
 
A friend of mine had a '68 Chevelle with the 327 300hp and an automatic. At the time I was driving a stock '74 Duster 318 auto. It was a toss up with who would win. Whoever stopped spinning the tire first would have a fender on the other. It never impressed me much.
 
I hat to say it but I think the chevy II may have this one, completely stock.
 
Hersbird said:
I had a 70 Chevelle with a 300 hp 350 and the M22 wide ratio 4 speed, 3.23ish gears and a peg leg rear that shure felt faster then my Dakota which ran 15 flat. I would think the lighter Nova would be a low 14 sec car not high 14 sec.
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No,

1965 Chevy 'II' Nova 'Super Sport'
* 327/300 HP ~ 'L-74'
* 4-Speed 'M-21' Close-Ratio
* 12-Bolt Rear ~ 3.73 Gears 'Posi-Traction'
* 'Prowler' Cheater Slicks {7" Wide x 27" Tall}
* Shipping Weight ... #2885 lbs.
* Curb Weight ........ #3019 lbs.

Elapsed Time Range ........... 14.45 to 14.65
MPH Range.......................... 96.0 to 97.5

It is not getting down to low 14.00's.

http://www.automobile-catalog.com/img/picto28h/chevrolet_usa/1965_CHEVYII SPCOUPE2.jpg
 
Do you know the definition of average? You yourself said average mid 14's. What is low 14's? 14.001? To me a 14.2-14.3 is still low 14's which I guess is impossible from a mid 14's average.
 
Hersbird said:
Do you know the definition of average? You yourself said average mid 14's. What is low 14's? 14.001? To me a 14.2-14.3 is still low 14's which I guess is impossible from a mid 14's average.
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We can always change the 'verbage' to .......... Range.

Not sure that a 14.39 is considered low 14's.

Other odd statements >
* That car is a 14-Second Machine.
* The car runs consistently in the 14's.
* That car can run low 14's all day long.
* We usually can get into the high 14's.
* Mid 14's is what we run.
* It runs in the high 14's.
* If we had Slicks and a good Driver, it could run 14-Seconds.
* We run 14.0's, dead nuts.
* Its in the 'teens'.
* The Magazine says it should run in the low 14's.
 
my definition is;
low 14's, 14.00 -14.39
mid 14's, 14.40-14.60
high 14's 14.61-14.99

At least, that's my opinion.
 
I do think you are right, low 14's would take a few tricks. The best magazines got was high 14's but that is the same as a 383 A body 4 speed in their hands.
 
I never met a stock mid level smallblock chevy that could run 14's. 15's maybe.
 
Out of the showroom, I'd rather be behind the wheel of the Barracuda!.......Just don't let me add a 327/350 cam, and some slapper bars to the Deuce :D.
 
OldmanRick said:
Out of the showroom, I'd rather be behind the wheel of the Barracuda!.......Just don't let me add a 327/350 cam, and some slapper bars to the Deuce :D.
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O-M-R

You just knew 'Back-in-the-Day', a few guys slid in the '151' Camshaft
into the 327/300 HP and still claimed it as 'Stock'.
 
fishmens67 said:
I never met a stock mid level smallblock chevy that could run 14's. 15's maybe.
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Fishmen,

You couldn't have run into too many 1965 Chevy 'II' Nova SS {327/300 HP}
shoe-box packages.

There were only '319' built'.

Transmission and Rear-End Gear Packages
* 3-Speed Manual .................... 3.07 '10-Bolt Rear'
* Power-Glide .......................... 3.36 '10-Bolt Rear'
* 4-Speed 'M-20' Wide-Ratio ...... 3.07 '10-Bolt Rear'
* 4-Speed 'M-20' Wide-Ratio ...... 3.55 '10-Bolt Rear'
* 4-Speed 'M-20' Wide-Ratio ...... 3.55 '12-Bolt Rear'
* 4-Speed 'M-21' Close-Ratio ..... 3.73 '12-Bolt Rear'
 
Bosco,

1965 Chevy 'II' Nova SS ...... Magazine advertisements.

Chevrolet called the 250 HP and 300 HP engines ......... 'jobs'.

Chevrolet was reluctant to use the term 'Corvette Engine' {327/300 HP} when describing the 300 HP {Code L-74} in the Chevy 'II" Nova 'Super Sport'.

Look at the wording in the ad > 'the most powerful tightwad in town'.

http://www.vintageadsandstuff.com/viewchevyii15.jpeg
 
Blanco de Negro,

Here is the list you asked for, regarding Magazine Articles on the 1967 Plymouth
Barracuda 383-S.

* Hot Rod {December 1966}
* Popular Hot Rodding {December 1966}
* Motor Trend {December 1966}
* Super Stock & Drag Illustrated {April 1966}
* High Performance Car {February 1967}
* Car & Driver {December 1966}
* Car & Driver {April 1967}
* Road and Track {March 1967}
* Rodder and Super Stock {March 1967}
* Speed and Supercar {June 1967}
* Cars Magazine {April 1967}
* Car Life 'Road Test' {June 1967}
 
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