MSD or not

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For a driver car good ole points or Mopar Electronic works just fine.
If you are going highly modified then a multispark is a consideration.
 
rumblefish360 said:
It seems your saying that all ignition boxes are made in China and they all suck.
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No, they are not all made in China. Other Asian/Indian locations too. I would not trust any of them. Maybe some are made elsewhere, I don't know. When they were made by Chrysler Corp. they were of high quality.
And as far as I know the real MSD boxes are made in USA. 150,000 square foot factory, over 400 employees, in El Paso, Texas.
 
Anyone know where electronic components are made in the USA?....If none...then where do all the ignition boxes come from.....LOL
 
mbaird said:
For a driver car good ole points or Mopar Electronic works just fine.
If you are going highly modified then a multispark is a consideration.
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My only working MSD was used on my ‘79 Magnum with just stock parts to upgrade it and a custom dual exhaust off of the exhaust manifolds. It was excellent in low speed driving and low speed cruising. I had 2.76’s & 235/60/15’s in all 4 corners. With a Federal Mogual emissions 600 AFB I did squeak out 20 mpg’s and the MSD was very helpful for that last little bit.
 
I think everyone knows where the chips and other components come from. That does not mean that the final product is manufactured by the Chi-Coms. Much like the US does not make much titanium, a lot comes from China... but we have US-built jet fighters made from it. The aircraft are not made in China. See the difference?
 
google says.....Deposits are located in North America, Australia, Scandinavia, and Malaysia.....no china...

I used both msd 6al and 7al ...got 4 of them in use....one spare.....got an old msd 6c that was bought in 1977..probably electronic parst made in usa then...lol..still works....but as always...it is your money do as you see fit...
 
Mattax said:
That one is for a small block.
Really depends what your goals are, if your dealing with stock or modified engine, and where and how you will be using the car.
Reliability? Like just about everything aftermarket.
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Jegg’s has a big block version for like 150 bucks full kit ready to install. I installed one on my buddies 383 dart with no problems. There are many ways to achieve this ignition task. Choice your poison and have fun tuning it to perform, then let it rip potato chip.
 
yellow rose said:
That may be, but MSD has had issues as long as I can remember.

One that really pissed me off was a bunch of miss labeled RPM chips. That one drove me nuts.

There is other issues as well.
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RPM chips! LOL that must be ancient..
 
The stock ignition is extremely reliable. There would be no reason to change it unless you're needing a rev limiter or some kind of timing retard for nitrous or whatever... just waste of money buying aftermarket..
 
70aarcuda said:
google says.....Deposits are located in North America, Australia, Scandinavia, and Malaysia.....no china...

I used both msd 6al and 7al ...got 4 of them in use....one spare.....got an old msd 6c that was bought in 1977..probably electronic parst made in usa then...lol..still works....but as always...it is your money do as you see fit...
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I did not say where the minerals were found. Who refines the ore and makes the metals? I work in an aircraft engine company. We buy tons of titanium alloy sheetmetal from China. I was just trying to make a point, what does it matter?
 
I ditched the 20 year old Mopar Performance ignition last summer for a complete MSD setup (Digital 6AL box, billet distributor, plug wires and coil. I got the black box and distributor. I was AMAZED at the improvement. Starts are now instantaneous. One tap on the gas to set the choke, and then the engine starts instantly with the turn of the key. Plus it idles better and has better throttle response.
 
MSD in every thing we build and run.

Zero failure rate.

Nothing better for timing retard, launch, and all the good stuff.

When, if it fails=AAA and tow truck...

I have seen lots of MSD boxes that are jumk tho. Its easy to test one.

My car runs a old 6AL, with analog 2 step and pills. Works fine. That box is probably 20 years old?
 
I run for MSD myself, but my car is not a 68 GTS H code 383...
I've never had reliability issues with a stock ignition except for maybe a ballast resistor which every Mopar guy knows to keep the $5 ballast resistor in the glove box...
Also I never had any liabilities out of my MSD, but I can say one thing I went from Total stock ignition to Total MSD ignition and didn't gain 1000th of a 1/10 in the quarter mile....
 
I can't send my car started or ran any better.. likely people who see these great results had stuff that needed replacing anyways.. I wouldn't suggest finding a 1968 distributor with a 1968 rotor cap plugs and wires either... Likely when you put all new stuff on and tune it, well your cars going to run better...
 
j par said:
I can't send my car started or ran any better.. likely people who see these great results had stuff that needed replacing anyways.. I wouldn't suggest finding a 1968 distributor with a 1968 rotor cap plugs and wires either... Likely when you put all new stuff on and tune it, well your cars going to run better...
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When engines make more than 8:1 comp and rev past 3500 they benefit more from Multispark ignitions ....


I don’t know how to make the poke you in the eye thingy...lol
 
Ron816 said:
I have a 68 GTS H code 383,currently in restoration, should I use the electronic mopar ignition system or go with MSD
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It's not a restoration unless you use the original equipment.
 
The multi spark is done by 3K IIRC.
Below that it is really helpful in finding mileage & drivability due to the multi sparking function.
 
mbaird said:
When engines make more than 8:1 comp and rev past 3500 they benefit more from Multispark ignitions ....


I don’t know how to make the poke you in the eye thingy...lol
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MSD only multi spark up to 3500. Now a Petronix iii multi spark throughout the range. So they say.
 
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69_340_GTS said:
No, they are not all made in China. Other Asian/Indian locations too. I would not trust any of them. Maybe some are made elsewhere, I don't know. When they were made by Chrysler Corp. they were of high quality.
And as far as I know the real MSD boxes are made in USA. 150,000 square foot factory, over 400 employees, in El Paso, Texas.
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And , have worked flawlessly on 5 diff. hotrods for me .
 
My understanding is this;
MSDs are MultiSpark

This type of system (Not MSD alone) are multi-strike systems below 3000-3600 because they have to be.
They just don't have enough amperage down there with one shot,to fire every big-cam,reversion-filled intake, lean burning, not quite right or just plain bad tune, out there. With just one shot the plug may; not ligh,not stay lit, or the fire kernel may not develop. So the hope is that the next or next or next or next or next and so on up to 10 sparks, will get the job done.
After the magic number of 3000 to 3500 whatever it was, there is no longer enough time for multiple sparks, and the amperage requirement of the mixture is falling, because the AF charge has stabilized, and all these combine in such a way that any old ignition that can deliver just one spark, but at just the right time.... will get the job done. Also,the faster you rev it, the less time between sparks. At 3600 rpm the dogone thing is firing; 3600/(60x every other revolution) =30 times per second, and you might as well just screw a glowplug into that hole. By 6000 it's 50 times per second.
Multistrike is not a feature; it's a failure hyped up to be a feature.
As for coils;
What you really want is an Accell P4120889 SuperCoil with it's matching P5206436 resistor. With that, you can idle your 292/108 equipped 360 down to 550rpm @5* advance, and still accelerate briskly away, then about 1500@18* advance you can stomp it, and the 750DP will reward you with instant tirespin thru the 4 speed and 3.55s or even 3.23 gears. In a pinch, I think you could use that coil as a welder; it lights every crap mixture you can imagine and never skips a beat, and it don't need no stinking multi-strike.Mine is 20 years old. Have you seen the wiring on an E-core multi-strike coil? I think the hairs on my azz are thicker. I would gladly pay good money for a 20 year old Accell, but not a nickle on a used E-core.
As for the ECUs.
ANY Mopar or jobber ECU will fire ANY Mopar system. You can rob an ECU off a 1980Volare 225 and stick it on your 71 360 in your 68 Barracuda, with a pirated 1973Dart harness,and expect to drive away. Now , they won't all rev to 7200, But you can drive 1000miles home and get you a proper box when you get there.
As for pick-ups
I believe in the Mopar Reluctor/ magnetic pick-up. Since 1971 when they came out, I have personally experienced exactly 1 pick-up failure. And in the crowd I hang with, I have never heard of another failure......... but I don't sell parts.

Yes some guys have experienced Orange-box failures, but not I.
 
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AJ/FormS said:
My understanding is this;
MSDs are MultiSpark

This type of system (Not MSD alone) are multi-strike systems below 3000-3600 because they have to be.
They just don't have enough amperage down there with one shot,to fire every big-cam,reversion-filled intake, lean burning, not quite right or just plain bad tune, out there. With just one shot the plug may; not ligh,not stay lit, or the fire kernel may not develop. So the hope is that the next or next or next or next or next and so on up to 10 sparks, will get the job done.
After the magic number of 3000 to 3500 whatever it was, there is no longer enough time for multiple sparks, and the amperage requirement of the mixture is falling, because the AF charge has stabilized, and all these combine in such a way that any old ignition that can deliver just one spark, but at just the right time.... will get the job done. Also,the faster you rev it, the less time between sparks. At 3600 rpm the dogone thing is firing; 3600/(60x every other revolution) =30 times per second, and you might as well just screw a glowplug into that hole. By 6000 it's 50 times per second.
Multistrike is not a feature; it's a failure hyped up to be a feature.
As for coils;
What you really want is an Accell P4120889 SuperCoil with it's matching P5206436 resistor. With that, you can idle your 292/108 equipped 360 down to 550rpm @5* advance, and still accelerate briskly away, then about 1500@18* advance you can stomp it, and the 750DP will reward you with instant tirespin thru the 4 speed and 3.55s or even 3.23 gears. In a pinch, I think you could use that coil as a welder; it lights every crap mixture you can imagine and never skips a beat, and it don't need no stinking multi-strike.
As for the ECUs.
ANY Mopar or jobber ECU will fire ANY system. You can rob an ECU off a 1980Volare 225 and stick it on your 71 360 in your 68 Barracuda, with a pirated 1973Dart harness,and expect to drive away. Now , they won't all rev to 7200, But you can drive 1000miles home and get you a proper box when you get there.
As for pick-ups
I believe in the Mopar Reluctor/ magnetic pick-up. Since 1971 when they came out, I have personally experienced exactly 1 pick-up failure. And in the crowd I hang with, I have never heard of another failure......... but I don't sell parts.

Yes some guys have experienced Orange-box failures, but not I.
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That's right. Amperage is king. That's why a magneto will always make more power than a battery fired ignition.
 
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