What is the guy using the truck for? Just normal driving? Does he trail ride, hill climb?
My version of a factory parts build 318
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Dan the man
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It's a neighbor and he has a duster that he is working on, nothing has been decided yet
Good point! That’s needed information!
What’s the year make and model of the truck as well as the target goal?
Wait! It’s a Duster?!?!
What’s the year make and model of the truck as well as the target goal?
Wait! It’s a Duster?!?!
Truck? Duster? Hey, I got it!! It's a TRAILDUSTER !!! TMM, he has to be just using this site for personal laughs and entertainment.
Dan the man
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What connecting rods are you using? The porting template for the oil pump
Yep.
Do you have an engine or vehicle yet?
Rat Bastid
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Your build is fine but do what you can to get the compression back and run some 340/360 castings. Port cross section and flow is more important than a point of compression.
I‘d rather have compression and the 340/360 heads but if I can’t get both I’m taking the 340/360 heads every day of the week.
I’d toss those other castings in the cess pool and cover them up.
Dan the man
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Looking into buying the scamp back.
Ok, so that's a no. Lemmie put you back on ignore then.
Dan the man
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If that's what pulls your trigger, be my guest.
moparmat2000
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Eagle SIR forged I beams, they ran me $319 shipped off evilbay I believe. I bought em almost 2 years ago for this project. I think they are about $400 now. Really nice pieces. They come with ARP 5000 bolts, and have a bushed little end.
Porting template is cheap and easy a piece of copy paper I put against the bottom of the oil pump I was using, rubbed it with a semi dirty thumb to mark it, then cut it out, flipped it over onto the cap, and sprayed on machinest blue.
why don't you buy a chevy? Dipshits like you give mopars a bad reputation
Steve welder
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Ignore the people who troll you would be my advise
Dan the man
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Kiss off
LMAO!
So what’s the deal? It’s a Duster. With a 318 & I would assume a 904? What about the rear end Dan? 7-1/4?
Dan the man
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Dartswinger70
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Thats not it,I end up kicked our of the threads by mods. The thing is,there are alot of immature people here wo,won't listen and they get testy and smart assed, I get smart assed back its perceived as rude. I'm old school Noone is more testy and smart asked than me. LOL! I have no issue with 318s, but my perception of what they are isn't a performance engine. Let's use the Ford 5.0 as an example, there is a 5.0 that's in a truck,then there is a 5.0 HO thats in a Fox Body GT. Yeah,I can gather parts,do research, and convert a 5.0 truck engine to a 5.0 HO, but until I am done I would have been better off buying a 5.0 HO and building it. Its the same scenario here or that's how I see it. I don't have to prove to the world I can make a 318 perform like a 340. I get it that the 318 is all that's left and they used to be cheap because they made millions off them and they were everywhere but they are not some great legendary performance platform for a variety of reasons.
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Here’s the thing, with you & many others here. Now don’t take offense to this and flip out on me. But is is how your coming off. Like so many others that crap on the 318.
1st off, even a novice in the car world knows bigger is better. With that, they already know there not going to make the same power and be slower. But yet everyone loves driving that point home and a few aren’t so kind to n the matter.
Let’s see ask the cost factor into consideration.
The inquiring already have a 318 vs how much now for a bare 340 block? Let’s take the gamble of the block being bad when it gets to you out of this even though I’ve been victim to it twice.
We are now $700 in the hole for just the block. $700 goes a long way in rotating parts for the 318 the questioner already has.
Your perception that the 318 was never a performance engine or a correct (I know you know that.) but not being able to make it perform is a joke because it can perform. We will cover caveats latter.
What makes it worse is you and many others compare it to a 5.0 Ford or something else. What is crazier from you is you compare the two 5.0’s from a truck and a Stang. On the base level, there the same to start with since the performance ceiling most are looking for is way higher than what the Mustang had. So what’s the real difference here. The only thing being kept is the block, possibly the crank and maybe, just maybe the rods. Everything else is being tossed.
From this perspective, it’s a dumb comparison. Because everything is being changed out for better.
In the case of keeping the heads, (MoPar here) reworking the stock head for mild performance is a cost saver over new aluminum. Until the price factor tips in favor of aluminum & the performance level isn’t very high, there is nothing wrong with the iron head. While I’m not a fan of keeping a 318 head on a 318 since the 350 head is a winner every time, perhaps the researcher doesn’t have the money to reinvest in 330/360 heads.
But the internet world just keeps beating on those that want to work with what they have for as little money as possible. The very thing about this board is to help others and even more so, new guys and those with less funds to do the best they can with the little money and experience they have.
Something most ignore.
It’s not that using an340 or 360 doesn’t make sense, it’s just not helpful sometimes (most IMO) to suggest it over and over again like nailing a nail down with a hammer. Even more so when the goal of using the 318 to start with on purpose is in the title and first lines of a thread.
The bottom line here? Your not helping.
So perhaps being removed from the board was a lesson not fully yet learned.
Everyone (99.9%?) knows the 318 was never a performance engine but just a basic people mover. Actually, even the performance engines were since they company has to warranty them for a time. Back in the day, they could have make a 318 make 1.2 hp per cube. (381 hp) They could have done it with a 440 as well. (528 hp) But they didn’t. They were all just upgraded people movers.
But many upgraded the engines anyway. Didn’t you?
If you did, then you must have felt that the engine wasn’t up to snuff for being a performance engine.
Dartswinger70
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Thanks for straightening me out I did check my heads and they are 915 so do the 302 heads have the larger size cast intake runners and ports?
302 heads are tiny runners. Very tiny. But will port out really well. I’ve read 240/250 on the intake. I hich makes for a nice street strip head. Remember, you can race anything without a single race part on or in the car!
Caveats to the 318 should not be ignored but also at the same time those that always say things like “Keep the cam little because it’s easy to over cam the little engine.” Are speaking the truth but also ignore or not pay attention to the build at hand.
The smaller the engine the more it takes to get it to perform. This often requires a bigger camshaft and the. To round out the package, more stall from the converter and more rear gear.
With this as a known, build accordingly!
Caveats to the 318 should not be ignored but also at the same time those that always say things like “Keep the cam little because it’s easy to over cam the little engine.” Are speaking the truth but also ignore or not pay attention to the build at hand.
The smaller the engine the more it takes to get it to perform. This often requires a bigger camshaft and the. To round out the package, more stall from the converter and more rear gear.
With this as a known, build accordingly!
The 920's are a good 273/318 head. (late 1966 and 67 273 application) They have a heart shaped closed chamber and are very close to the "not so magical" #302 heads. You could swap a 920 out with a 302 and probably never feel the difference.
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Also, FWIW, the 915 is a 340/360 head. They cam with ether a 1.88 or 2.02 valve but both had 1.60 exhaust valves. These can be made to perform very well. But you’ll have to weigh the cost vs aluminum heads and check to see if it aligned with your goal and build plans.
If racing, does the class allow aluminum heads? (Probably so!)
If not, and you must use cast iron heads, are W2’s allowed?
They are a very good cylinder head.
If racing, does the class allow aluminum heads? (Probably so!)
If not, and you must use cast iron heads, are W2’s allowed?
They are a very good cylinder head.
.... and, don't forget magnum heads on a 318. A great choice!
I’ve never had a “915” - 318 head. Only 340/360 - 915 heads.
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