Road Racing Duster 6.4 Hemi E85 6 speed Ms3 Pro Evo EFI

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no shame in that game! I was fortunate enough to have a 69 cuda that was my rolling test lab for quite some time. helped implement changes and designs on my current cars and customer builds.

it was delightful having something that I didn't consider precious to beat on when doing work.
 
Nice progress! FWIW, Imperial Services makes reproduction shift cables for early TorqueFlites. You might try calling them to see if they can make a custom cable for your throttle body. Just a random thought.
 
I just purchased a quick jack rated for 5000lbs. This should make life a little easier when pulling the engine. The quick jack is made by BendPak and it can lift a vehicle up 24inches in total height from the ground up. I eventually plan on installing air jacks, but the car needs to run to do anything new to the car. I've made checklists for every department of the car. But, I am going to type them up here so people can follow along with whats going on and maybe have a question or suggestion.

FABRICATION:

1. Weld U-Joint to DD Shaft for Steering Column to Mustang II Steering Rack.
2. Weld Additional Metal Plate to Clutch/Brake Pedal Assembly
3. Replace Trans Tunnel - X-Member with UCST Products.
4. Clean up Engine Bay Welds/Holes
5. Fab up Throttle Cable Bracket
6. Intake System (Decide wether aluminum, stainless or ti)
7. Exhaust System (Decide wether aluminum, stainless or ti)
8. Cardboard Interior Templates
9. Aluminum Interior Templates
10. Weld Tablets for Mounting Custom Headliner Panels
11. Cardboard Template for Center Console.
12. Design Seat Mounting
13. Design Radiator Mounting for Custom Saldana Radiator
14. Clearance Current X-Member
15. Clearance Shifter Recess
16. Remove Stock Decklid Hinges


Engine Bay:

1. Find Mounting Location for Radium Catch Cans
2. Find Better Firewall Through Hole for Throttle Cable
3. Design Intake System
4. Design Wire Routing Location and Visibility.
5. Confirm Fuel line Feed/Return system
6. Confirm Color Choice for X Brace
7. Confirm Roll Cage Color
8. Install Engine/Trans/K-Member
9. Install Headers
10. Install Brake Master Cylinder, Prop. Valve, Lines
11. Engine Harness
12. Install Intake System
13. Install Radiator/Cooling System/Ducting
14. Install Fuel Feed/ Return Lines


Front Suspension:

1. Remove Coil Overs
2. Disassemble Coil Overs
3. Remove Upper/Lower Control Arms
4. Disassemble Upper/Lower Control Arms
5. Replace Boots on Upper/Lower Ball Joints
6. Chase all Threads on Suspension Parts
7. Proper Anti-Seize on all threads of Suspension.
8. Reassemble Lower/Upper Control Arms
9. Reassemble Coil Overs
10. Reinstall Upper/Lower Control Arms
11. Reinstall Coil Overs
12. Assemble Brake Rotors
13. Install Brake Discs
14. Assemble Calipers
15. Install Calipers
16. Alignment and Corner Balance

Driveline/Rear Suspension:

1. Measure Drive Shaft Angle at Transmission
2. Disassemble All Rear Links
3. Chase All Rear Link Threads
4. Apply Anti Seize to All Threads on Rear Links
5. Reassemble All Rear Links
6. Install Rear End
7. Center Rear End in Car (Track Length)
8. Install Chunk
9. Measure for Driveshaft
10. Install Axles and Willwood Adapters
11. Order Driveshaft/Spec Driveshaft
12. Install Driveshaft
13. Fill Rear End with Oil and Sure Grip Additive
14. Disassemble Coil Overs.
15. Anti Seize Threads of Coil Overs
16. Reassemble Coil Overs.
17. Install Coil Overs.

FUEL SYSTEM:

1. Remove Fuel Cell
2. R&R Fuel Cell Bladder New One that is Compatible with Ethanol/Alcohol
3. Design Mounting for Multiple Trap Door Sump/Pick Up
4. Prep/Install Foam for Fuel Cell
5. Prepare Fuel Cell Top Plate
6. Design/Measure Fuel Line Lengths for Feed/Return
7. Design Fuel Filter Mounting Design
8. Design Battery Mounting
9. Mount Fuel Rails on Engine
10. Have Injectors Flow Tested
11. Reinstall Fuel Cell
12. Install Fuel Cell Top Plate w/ Pick up Fuel Pump
13. Install Fuel Filter
14. Install Feed/Return Fuel Lines
15. Install Battery

OIL SYSTEM:

1. Order Mopar Oil Filter
2. Pull Body Plug in Filter hole
3. Install Oil Dipstick Tube (Truck)
4. Install Oil Dipstick
5. Install Oil Filter
6. Add Oil/Check For Leaks
7. Prime System w/ sprayer method
8. Look into Road Race Pan Design

INTERIOR:
1. Seat Mounting Design (Height, Distance, Angle, Mounting)
2. Door Panel/Roof Panel Design
3. Center Console Design
4. Wireless Speaker System
5. Phone Charging
6. Android Table (Gauges) Mounting
7. Auto Meter Gauge Mounting
8. Glove Box Design
9. Rage Mode Button
10. Order New Door/1/4 Window Gaskets
11. Door Sill Design


GLASS:

1. Remove 1/4 Windows and Clean. (Maybe think about tinting)
2. Look to Prime/Paint anything in the mounting area of 1/4 Window
3. Reinstall 1/4 Windows
4. Remove Door Glass and Clean (Think about light tint)
5. Design Plexiglass Front Windshield (Anti Glare Tint/Clear Bra)
6. Design Front Windshield Mounting
7. Design Plexiglass Rear Windshield (tint shade same as my daily)
8. Design Rear Windshield Mounting
9. Window Trim Install (If using)

BODY:

1. Purchase a Hood (design unknown atm)
2. Purchase a Decklid w/groove
3. Remove Doors
4. Clean Inside of Doors
5. Order/Make Door Card Gaskets
6. Install Door Card Gaskets
7. Reinstall Doors
8. Gap Doors
9. Remove Front Fenders
10. Remove Original Inner Fender Coating/Paint
11. Prep Front Inner Fenders for Paint.
12. Spray Front Inner Fenders with Liner
13. Install Front Fenders
14. Design Mounting for Rear Decklid
15. Mount new Decklid
16. Gap Decklid
17. Prep Grill Lower Valance for Paint
18. Install Grill Lower Valance
19. Install Grill.

ELECTRICAL:

1. Determine Location of Fuse Box
2. Determine Location of Battery
3. Determine Location of ECU
4. Determine Location of Bow/Stern Kill Switches
5. Determine Horn Mounting Location
6. Determine Gauge Mounting Location
7. Determine Android Tablet Mounting Location
8. Determine Phone Charging Location
9. Determine Headlights
10. Determine Headlight Connection Location
11. Determine Taillight Choice
12. Determine Taillight Connection Location
13. Determine Sound System/Speaker Location
14. Design Wiring Harness Template.
15. Build Harness
16. Test Fit Harness
17. Test Harness.

EXHAUST:

1. Determine Hardware for Headers
2. Design Exhaust Layout
3. Determine Muffler Choice
4. Determine Exhaust Material
5. Determine X, H, Merge Chamber
6. Determine Material List/Lengths
7. Order Supplies

WHEELS/TIRES:

1. Determine Tire Fittment/Clearance
2. Determine Wheel Fittment/Offset
3. Determine Tire Brand/Model

BRAKES:

1. Install All Brake Lines w/ Distribution Block
2. Assemble Rotors
3. Install Rotors
4. Build Calipers
5. Install Calipers
6. Install Brake Master Cylinder w/ Prop Valve
7. Design Hand Brake Solution (Possible two lever system.

STEERING:
1. Remove Steering Rack from K-Member
2. Prep Steering Rack for Paint
3. Paint Steering Rack
4. Check for all Install hardware (Steering Column)
5. Order Steering Column Hardware if Needed
6. Install Steering Column
7. Get Steering Wheel from Friend
8. Order Steering Wheel Adapter and Quick Disconnect
9. Install Steering Rack with New Bushings
10. Install Quick Disconnect and Adapter
11. Install Steering Wheel
12. Install Horn



This list is to get the car up and moving. This is not to complete it. The process I have in mind is Quailty Engineered. I will be taking the car on multiple test drives in order to fix anything that may arise. I will slowly increase the distance and time the car is on the road. I want to make sure that everything feels right. It will be trial and Error with finding the correct shock settings, but the goal is to get some different settings for Road Comfortablity, Race Track, Drag Racing, and Weekend Warrior. This is a driver, this isn't a car being built to put away for the winter, so eventually we might look into a heat solution or redesigning the windshield wiper system and more.
 
RustyRatRod said:
That's quite a list.
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I like to be thorough. A lot of the stuff is very quick, but I like to be detailed in my lists so I don't skip over any steps during the process. I also tend to write How-to's as I go so the car has it's own manual.
 
SRT_DSTR15 said:
I like to be thorough. A lot of the stuff is very quick, but I like to be detailed in my lists so I don't skip over any steps during the process. I also tend to write How-to's as I go so the car has it's own manual.
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It's a very systematic approach. Write it down, mark it off when done.
 
RustyRatRod said:
It's a very systematic approach. Write it down, mark it off when done.
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I'm visual. If I can go by a list, then these are the big things, the little things come between completing each of the bigger tasks
 
That is indeed quite a list. I'm guessing you are thinking about making a custom intake? Any interesting ideas going on there? I can set up an Arduino to run a little electric actuator....
 
Mean416 said:
That is indeed quite a list. I'm guessing you are thinking about making a custom intake? Any interesting ideas going on there? I can set up an Arduino to run a little electric actuator....
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Variable intake runner lengths?
 
Mean416 said:
That is indeed quite a list. I'm guessing you are thinking about making a custom intake? Any interesting ideas going on there? I can set up an Arduino to run a little electric actuator....
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Nope. Running a 6.1 intake manifold as is show in the photo of the engine (if visible). I may decide later to attempt to make an intake, but I actually know some people who are able to print manifolds, so I will work with them directly. They are a sub-contractor for my business and I am willing to start a thread on here if there intake designs people are looking into. They are high end plastic, but because of so, we can almost design whatever is needed and do group buys too.
 
Mean416 said:
That'd be the idea. But doesn't the latest hemi already have that?
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Yes, the 6.4 manifold does so. It is a longer runner intake that has the ability to adjust to a shorter runner with the motor. I have ditched that intake because of the extra work needed to get it to fit properly and because again, I prefer the power gain of the 6.1 as the gearing will make up for any loss of minimal down low torque.
 
Hi All,

Just an update. I wanted to change my mind on the drivetrain setup for a bit. I wanted to see what you guys might suggest. Everyone is doing the EFI now and I really miss the raw smell of gas and fidgeting with the carb.

I was thinking about going to a 318-360 whether LA or Magnum and making something like 350-400WHP and racing this.

I know that with both engines that power is easily attainable, but I would like a RPM Redline of like 7k max. I would like to do this budget friendly and run some real R&D in the sense of let's see what these old girls can really do.

I will be using the 6 speed still and have 4.10 rear gears, so the engine setup is basically what's left. The Gen3 is still on the books, but I right now it's on the back burner.

Everything else will be the same, but the engine. So any advice will help. I know that I can buy a bunch of aftermarket stuff and she will live, but I am wanting to do this the hot rod style and throw something together, but willing to do the needed oil mods to the blocks to help. So any advice would be great. I know a lot of you have seen almost every combo done, but I want to take it back for a bit.

I might even throw a stock 69 318 in or magnum 318/360 in and play with it as is for a bit. I just wanted to update you guys that I am still here, but I'm slowing everything down
 
SRT_DSTRHOLC said:
Hi All,

Just an update. I wanted to change my mind on the drivetrain setup for a bit. I wanted to see what you guys might suggest. Everyone is doing the EFI now and I really miss the raw smell of gas and fidgeting with the carb.

I was thinking about going to a 318-360 whether LA or Magnum and making something like 350-400WHP and racing this.

I know that with both engines that power is easily attainable, but I would like a RPM Redline of like 7k max. I would like to do this budget friendly and run some real R&D in the sense of let's see what these old girls can really do.

I will be using the 6 speed still and have 4.10 rear gears, so the engine setup is basically what's left. The Gen3 is still on the books, but I right now it's on the back burner.

Everything else will be the same, but the engine. So any advice will help. I know that I can buy a bunch of aftermarket stuff and she will live, but I am wanting to do this the hot rod style and throw something together, but willing to do the needed oil mods to the blocks to help. So any advice would be great. I know a lot of you have seen almost every combo done, but I want to take it back for a bit.

I might even throw a stock 69 318 in or magnum 318/360 in and play with it as is for a bit. I just wanted to update you guys that I am still here, but I'm slowing everything down
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Based on the pictures I've seen in your thread, you already have the G3, why not wire and fire it? Instead of spending the time and money on building another engine, I'd focus on the G3.
In order to make 400WHP with a stock stroke 5.9, you will need a decent cam and some good heads. You will also likely need a set of pistons to get the compression up. Or, you could just get a stock magnum and throw a supercharger on it and hope for the best.

I've got a soft spot for the LA engines and mine runs pretty damn good. However, I've finally made the decision to go with the G3 and will be moving to that platform soon. I also decided I'll never buy a carburetor ever again after I converted my LA to EFI.
 
racerjoe said:
Based on the pictures I've seen in your thread, you already have the G3, why not wire and fire it? Instead of spending the time and money on building another engine, I'd focus on the G3.
In order to make 400WHP with a stock stroke 5.9, you will need a decent cam and some good heads. You will also likely need a set of pistons to get the compression up. Or, you could just get a stock magnum and throw a supercharger on it and hope for the best.

I've got a soft spot for the LA engines and mine runs pretty damn good. However, I've finally made the decision to go with the G3 and will be moving to that platform soon. I also decided I'll never buy a carburetor ever again after I converted my LA to EFI.
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Because I am not comfortable with the call in general and adding 500-600 whp to the equation makes it easier for me to admit that I am not ready for that much power in a light car.
 
SRT_DSTRHOLC said:
Because I am not comfortable with the call in general and adding 500-600 whp to the equation makes it easier for me to admit that I am not ready for that much power in a light car.
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What if you set your rev limiter to 4500 or something?

Sometimes I think the issue with a good amount of power is a lack of respect. If you build it with 500-600 hp and drive it with a heathy respect for your lack of experience, you will probably be better off than the guy with 400 hp that thinks he is invulnerable.
 
DionR said:
What if you set your rev limiter to 4500 or something?

Sometimes I think the issue with a good amount of power is a lack of respect. If you build it with 500-600 hp and drive it with a heathy respect for your lack of experience, you will probably be better off than the guy with 400 hp that thinks he is invulnerable.
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That's an idea also, it really is. I think when I think more about it, I want to do the carb base because it's where I started and I didn't really take the time work it it. I just went to the next "best" thing because I wanted more power. I've also have tried to sell this 6.4 and get a hellcat or a BGE and build a turbo engine. I have a little bug in me that just want's to the next thing. So a part of going to a carb engine for awhile would be preparing for the eventual drag or circle track car I build, but getting back to the basics is what I had in mind as I haven't done ANY engine work on my own stuff in almost 10 years
 
SRT_DSTRHOLC said:
Because I am not comfortable with the call in general and adding 500-600 whp to the equation makes it easier for me to admit that I am not ready for that much power in a light car.
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Easy to kill power - just retard the timing.

SRT_DSTRHOLC said:
That's an idea also, it really is. I think when I think more about it, I want to do the carb base because it's where I started and I didn't really take the time work it it. I just went to the next "best" thing because I wanted more power. I've also have tried to sell this 6.4 and get a hellcat or a BGE and build a turbo engine. I have a little bug in me that just want's to the next thing. So a part of going to a carb engine for awhile would be preparing for the eventual drag or circle track car I build, but getting back to the basics is what I had in mind as I haven't done ANY engine work on my own stuff in almost 10 years
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So here's an idea, get a carb intake for the G3, let the EFI controller handle the ignition. When you are ready, just swap intakes.
 
racerjoe said:
Easy to kill power - just retard the timing.



So here's an idea, get a carb intake for the G3, let the EFI controller handle the ignition. When you are ready, just swap intakes.
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This is also an idea too.

Right now I am just at the point where the car is on dollies and I am going to start reassembling.

When I started this thread on this build, I came in HOT from some very personal stuff and wasn't in the right state of mind. For now everything is going to be as planned originally, but the heart is something I think I "MIGHT" go with a 318 to start because I've honestly forgotten a lot of what I learned when I first started.

You all have very good suggestions, and the engine will be the last thing I decide on, but since I am going to eventually use this G3, I will need to install all the lines and clutch master around it's location instead of having to redo it if I build it off the SB.

I also want to see how well I can get a small block carb engine to run at the track.

I kind of want to set a benchmark for track times and then track the progress of the car against that as I go.
 
PS.

This car is a MULE, the car will be driven, HARD and often. The minor details will be ignored. A race car is about going fast, stopping and being SAFE.

Everything else is an after thought, once I determine what works and doesn't then the details will come into the picture, but she's not and never will be a garage or trailer queen.
 
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