Stop in for a cup of coffee
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holic_77
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Hello wise men. Just learning from all you masters on this great site.
ramenth
Gratis persona
Here ya go, Ray.
Nick's first "real" meal. Peas. He was attacking the spoon with his mouth.
To cool.
dukeboy440
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Really? Ya think?Only if you breathe it in....
Only if you breathe it in....
Don't come home with that crap on your clothes. Unless you want to spread it around so your kids get it.
dukeboy440
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dukeboy440
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There's a 383 sport fury auto car for sale locally, guy wants 33,000 for it,
dang....
zkx14
Duster De-ruster
So he is going to bury them with furys and firebirds?
zkx14
Duster De-ruster
My favorite road crew is back. lol. Just cleaned the edge in front of my place. Looks like they will have base coat on tonight. Of course they will probably pave this side and switch traffic over. That should time out so they are running all the noisy cleanup stuff down the other side about the time I am falling asleep. 
Ddaddy
Just doing what I do
Yes it can, but it depends on a lot of things. What was the actual level and how long were you exposed to it?
The "legal" level is a meaningless number, just a permissible exposure level.
dukeboy440
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3 years.
Now confirmed that if the 4 of us assigned to that room, all 4 have had unexplained seizures and other neurological issues. We just found out that room was contaminated too.
zkx14
Duster De-ruster
Yep, what was the actual level? Was it documented or still exist that level can be verified? Was it an accidental release or part of a process? Were respirators available? OSHA says "The employer shall assure that no employee is exposed to lead at concentrations greater than fifty micrograms per cubic meter of air (50 ug/m3) averaged over an 8-hour period."(PEL) but makes exception for construction and agriculture. Does military have to follow OSHA?
Nope.
dukeboy440
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No filters, no clue to the exact readings, we were made to get equipment out of the room and then they sealed it off and had a contractor come in to strip the room down.
No military doesn't follow osha at all. Matter of fact, the allowed levels for lead dust in military buildings are much higher than civilian buildings and the level was 650 times the military levels
Ddaddy
Just doing what I do
You still haven't said what the exposure level was nor the duration (you weren't in there for 3 straight years, you came out). Also, be careful about drawing causality conclusions based on 4 individuals and current medical condition. You will have to prove a case and the odds are stacked against proving lead over exposure.
Chronic lead exposure (toxicity) would have manifested in a lot of other severe symptoms at the time of exposure. You would need blood test levels and bone x-rays to confirm excess exposure that exceeded the Federal permissible blood level at the time. The current biological exposure index (a level that should not be exceeded) for lead-exposed workers in the U.S. is 30 µg/dL in a random blood specimen. The lead in your blood and soft tissues from any exposure then is long gone now and unlikely any remains in your bones.
Further, the effects of lead toxicity in adults is on the peripheral nervous system not the central nervous system (neurological). Lastly, lead toxicity has been well studied and has a long history of extensive documentation. Seizures as a result of either acute or chronic lead poisoning only happens (rarely) when blood levels are very high, not years later after the exposure has ended.
I'm not saying that it isn't somehow related, just that you are going to have a very difficult time proving it. The science and study of lead toxicity isn't on your side.
That pretty much points to them doing something to cause it...
Is there any way to reverse the seizures and other issues???
Guess what.... 
zkx14
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Glad to say I was partly wrong...They are only doing half tonight. I'm somewhere near halfway down the run. So with a little luck, they will be past my place somewhere between 11 and 12. Of course they'll be back tomorrow for a repeat performance on the other side. My pissed off neighbor stopped over earlier. He called PennDOT and got the # for the project manager to call and complain.My favorite road crew is back. lol. Just cleaned the edge in front of my place. Looks like they will have base coat on tonight. Of course they will probably pave this side and switch traffic over. That should time out so they are running all the noisy cleanup stuff down the other side about the time I am falling asleep.
I did find out the contract with the state does not allow them to restrict lanes fron 6-8:30AM or 3:30-6PM. Not leaving enough time between during the day to run a shift. Effectively forcing them to do night work. 
dukeboy440
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I don't have answers to the exposure questions at this time. We were only it in for maybe 48 -72 hours at a time once a month. I do know lead was not the only toxin found in the room, which used to be a rifle range, but it was the most abundant. We were exposed as recently as 4 days prior to my seizure. I know it'll be impossible to prove the link to that particular setup but if somehow lead is the cause, I can sleep easy and avoid contact in the future, which is my ultimate goal. So far , every other single test on seizures is coming back perfectly normal, even stress tests. I just want an answer and this honestly to me, makes logical sense based on the above
dukeboy440
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That's what I was thinking. I just don't know. But I think I'm gonna have to report it regardless
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