Ben Drinkin
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Hubba hubba
Stop in for a cup of coffee
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Had a hell of a day yesterday...
Eddie came over with the Dart and we had to redo a few things that the trans guy had done.... This trans guy (John Cope) is supposed to be good, but we found some issues with his work... The intake that he took off when he changed the lifters was not torqued to spec, the throttle cable bracket was bent waaay out of square, the stud on the carb for the accelerator cable was LOOSE, kick down was not adjusted, the header collectors leaked and we had to put new gaskets on them...
Needless to say, we will not be using him any more.....
There's supposed to be a different guy who is said to be a 727 trans specialist in northwest IN that we are going to try for our next trans jobs to see how he does....
Then when we looked at the distributor, one of the wires was only hanging on by a few strands, so we tried to take one from another distributor that I had.... That turned into a fiasco....
After changing the reluctor plate with one from my new distributor, we also changed one of the springs to a lighter one for a better curve, then we installed it and went to tune it, and there was no curve.... Just a straight timing from 1000 to 2500 RPM.... So we took it apart again to fix that, and when we were putting it back together it would spin free by hand, then get a hang up when we were trying to put the reluctor back on.... It started getting dark, so we abandoned that and installed another distributor that I had an Accel....
When we installed the Accel straight out of the box, we could not get it timed right... When we had it at 20° initial and 36 total, it would back fire... We backed it off to 15° initial and it still backfired.... I ran a sweep to get it to max vacuum at idle and it was at 34° initial.... We set it back to 20° initial and hooked up the vacuum advance, and it was way over 45° total advance and back fired even worse....
So we set it back to 17° initial with no vacuum advance with 34° initial and took it for a test drive and it was terrible... Very sluggish and the exhaust is now very loud - we think we blew out one of the mufflers with all the back firing while trying to tune it....
We didn't feel comfortable with how it ran, and it was dark then, so Eddie got a ride home and left the Dart here......
All this headache over an almost broken wire...
Eddie came over with the Dart and we had to redo a few things that the trans guy had done.... This trans guy (John Cope) is supposed to be good, but we found some issues with his work... The intake that he took off when he changed the lifters was not torqued to spec, the throttle cable bracket was bent waaay out of square, the stud on the carb for the accelerator cable was LOOSE, kick down was not adjusted, the header collectors leaked and we had to put new gaskets on them...
Needless to say, we will not be using him any more.....
There's supposed to be a different guy who is said to be a 727 trans specialist in northwest IN that we are going to try for our next trans jobs to see how he does....
Then when we looked at the distributor, one of the wires was only hanging on by a few strands, so we tried to take one from another distributor that I had.... That turned into a fiasco....
After changing the reluctor plate with one from my new distributor, we also changed one of the springs to a lighter one for a better curve, then we installed it and went to tune it, and there was no curve.... Just a straight timing from 1000 to 2500 RPM.... So we took it apart again to fix that, and when we were putting it back together it would spin free by hand, then get a hang up when we were trying to put the reluctor back on.... It started getting dark, so we abandoned that and installed another distributor that I had an Accel....
When we installed the Accel straight out of the box, we could not get it timed right... When we had it at 20° initial and 36 total, it would back fire... We backed it off to 15° initial and it still backfired.... I ran a sweep to get it to max vacuum at idle and it was at 34° initial.... We set it back to 20° initial and hooked up the vacuum advance, and it was way over 45° total advance and back fired even worse....
So we set it back to 17° initial with no vacuum advance with 34° initial and took it for a test drive and it was terrible... Very sluggish and the exhaust is now very loud - we think we blew out one of the mufflers with all the back firing while trying to tune it....
We didn't feel comfortable with how it ran, and it was dark then, so Eddie got a ride home and left the Dart here......
All this headache over an almost broken wire...
Morning. Guys and Gal! or Boys and Babs or is it Hims and HER!
When we were kids, my parents planted a strawberry patch in the back yard... For three years they didn't get any strawberries and didn't now why....
Then one day in middle of the next summer, mom saw our oldest Dalmatian in the strawberry patch eating the strawberries.... Busted!!!! Mom asked her why she was eating the strawberries and she acted innocent like she wasn't doing anything... Mom asked what the red stains on her lips were and she tried to lick them off to get rid of the evidence while still standing in middle of the strawberry patch....
She ate all the ripe red ones and left the green ones for later.... She only ate the good ones.... Smart girl...
73 dart custom
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Had a hell of a day yesterday...
All this headache over an almost broken wire...
Geesh... the auto gods must have decided it was your year to be screwed with and put it all in one day!
73 dart custom
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Morning!!
Gotta run...Be back later........
73 dart custom
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hahahha dogs are smart!!When we were kids, my parents planted a strawberry patch in the back yard... For three years they didn't get any strawberries and didn't now why....
Then one day in middle of the next summer, mom saw our oldest Dalmatian in the strawberry patch eating the strawberries.... Busted!!!! Mom asked her why she was eating the strawberries and she acted innocent like she wasn't doing anything... Mom asked what the red stains on her lips were and she tried to lick them off to get rid of the evidence while still standing in middle of the strawberry patch....
She ate all the ripe red ones and left the green ones for later.... She only ate the good ones.... Smart girl...
Wow.Had a hell of a day yesterday...
Eddie came over with the Dart and we had to redo a few things that the trans guy had done.... This trans guy (John Cope) is supposed to be good, but we found some issues with his work... The intake that he took off when he changed the lifters was not torqued to spec, the throttle cable bracket was bent waaay out of square, the stud on the carb for the accelerator cable was LOOSE, kick down was not adjusted, the header collectors leaked and we had to put new gaskets on them...
Needless to say, we will not be using him any more.....
There's supposed to be a different guy who is said to be a 727 trans specialist in northwest IN that we are going to try for our next trans jobs to see how he does....
Then when we looked at the distributor, one of the wires was only hanging on by a few strands, so we tried to take one from another distributor that I had.... That turned into a fiasco....
After changing the reluctor plate with one from my new distributor, we also changed one of the springs to a lighter one for a better curve, then we installed it and went to tune it, and there was no curve.... Just a straight timing from 1000 to 2500 RPM.... So we took it apart again to fix that, and when we were putting it back together it would spin free by hand, then get a hang up when we were trying to put the reluctor back on.... It started getting dark, so we abandoned that and installed another distributor that I had an Accel....
When we installed the Accel straight out of the box, we could not get it timed right... When we had it at 20° initial and 36 total, it would back fire... We backed it off to 15° initial and it still backfired.... I ran a sweep to get it to max vacuum at idle and it was at 34° initial.... We set it back to 20° initial and hooked up the vacuum advance, and it was way over 45° total advance and back fired even worse....
So we set it back to 17° initial with no vacuum advance with 34° initial and took it for a test drive and it was terrible... Very sluggish and the exhaust is now very loud - we think we blew out one of the mufflers with all the back firing while trying to tune it....
We didn't feel comfortable with how it ran, and it was dark then, so Eddie got a ride home and left the Dart here......
All this headache over an almost broken wire...
Had a friend would start off his story “it was a disaster from the start”
And repeat it through the story.
Most times you couldnt tell if it was a joke ir a true story.
Most of his jokes were based on a true story.
Yup, sounds like you had your hands full.
Sucks when you trust someone to do it right and proper, takes your money and you have to spend a day fixing afterwards.
I agree you guys had a REALLY bad day, all provided by crappy work from a shop that's suppose to be better than average.
Ben Drinkin
Hey bartender!
Congrats. Got any cool pictures?
He is going to order another distributor from Trailbeast to get it running and home, then we may send the "offender" one to Ray to spin on his sun machine and work his magic on....
The wife took them all, I'll try and post some later. Some of us sleep in on the weekend, but to others like you and me its just another day.
What is it I might have one on the shelf save the shipping.
We're not sure how the wire got like that, but I didn't want to send Eddie home with only 3 - 4 strands of wire on the distributor... That snow balled... I can't say who or why it got that way, but it caused us alot of headache trying to fix it...
What year engine, and carb?
Morning group. Karl, I hope today goes smoother than yesterday. Coffee's done. Time for the first cup.
It's one of the small block electronic ones from trailbeast with the advance limiter plate....
I'm still not sure what curve we want... I have a suspicion that we may have gone too light on the springs, but that combo is what worked on my 68 340 cuda... However, my 68 340 had a more aggressive cam (484/284 MP) and Eddie's is a little milder than that...
We were also idling at 1000 and I had my 340 Cuda idling at 800 RPM... Eddies will idle at 800 RPM, but we couldn't get that far in the tune... Maybe we had already used up the advance by 1000....
What curve would you recommend???
I can't remember what cam, but it is a 69 340 with ported X heads and a holley 600 vacuum secondary...
Eddie had John Cope install a Holley 750, but it ran worse, so he had him put the holley 600 back on... Bur John used two thin base gaskets with a thin steel plate between them and we like using the Edelbrock 5/16" thick base gasket for the dual plane for heat boil protection....
If you have something that will work, let me know and I will text Eddie not to order another one from trailbeast... I did recommend to him to see what you could do with the one that was giving us trouble yesterday after we got the other one to get it running...
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