Streetmaster to Airgap

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Phreakish said:
They're using multiple tricks to get more air into the engine. Duh. The most obvious is the camshaft, and lofting. Better flowing heads would make them faster in every instance.
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Tricks? Like magic tricks....... You mean illusions or just smart engineering. You're just trying to make excuses for why they can and you believe I can't. All the airflow they need is right there in those tiny heads but you need to be smart enough to extract it. Imagine what they could do with more compression.......more lift......more carb...glad I'm not restricted in those areas.......

Phreakish said:
You play word games. Invitation not accepted.
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No games just simple logic. Either the heads can flow the air it needs to make the power or they can't. Which is it can they flow it or can't they. Yes or No.

If you say Yes then we move onto the next question. If you say No then you are effective saying PHR, GTX JOHN and every Stock Eliminator racer is a liar.

So, which is it?
 
Phreakish said:
Higher flow heads went faster. That's exactly the opposite of what you argue, isn't it? Yes or no will suffice.
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Nope. What does this have to do with whether or not a 302 head can make power or not.
 
So that's a "NO" to 302's being about to flow enough air to make power then?
 
Hysteric said:
Tricks? Like magic tricks....... You mean illusions or just smart engineering. You're just trying to make excuses for why they can and you believe I can't. All the airflow they need is right there in those tiny heads but you need to be smart enough to extract it. Imagine what they could do with more compression.......more lift......more carb...glad I'm not restricted in those areas.......



No games just simple logic. Either the heads can flow the air it needs to make the power or they can't. Which is it can they flow it or can't they. Yes or No.

If you say Yes then we move onto the next question. If you say No then you are effective saying PHR, GTX JOHN and every Stock Eliminator racer is a liar.

So, which is it?
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You can't do it. You don't do it. Your timeslips prove it.

Stock eliminator guys have very cleverly Engineer their cars and engines. They absolutely move more air, and do so using every possible method. If you can't figure out how they do it, that's on you. Using them as an example for why no one needs more airflow is as disingenuous as you claiming your heads are stock.
 
Phreakish said:
You can't do it. You don't do it. Your timeslips prove it.
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That has nothing to with whether it can or can not be done. Answer the question. Can a 302 head flow enough air to make power. Yes or No.
 
Hysteric said:
So some how stock eliminator engines can make power with very little head flow small valves and little port csa but my 302 heads can't possible do that?

There's no magic in this they just use every bit of air that they get into the engine. If you cant understand that then you couldn't possibly understand that the HUGE difference in outright size between the minimum csa of an Air Gap and that of a Street master is perfect example of when tested on that engine that tiny intake runner area didn't make that much difference. If it didn't make that much difference its because that "area" in total wasn't that much of a restriction.

So which is it can a small port small valve 318 head make power on a 318/360 or not? A Yes or No answer will suffice.
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So you think a better head would go slower? That’s just silly talk.
 
Rat Bastid said:
So you think a better head would go slower? That’s just silly talk.
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Better or worse faster or slower is irrelevant. The question is will a 302 head flow enough air to make power. Yes or No?
 
Hysteric said:
Better or worse faster or slower is irrelevant. The question is will a 302 head flow enough air to make power. Yes or No?
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No. I’m saying any engine using that head is stifled by it. Can you crutch it for a Stock or Super Stock head? Yes. But why would anyone with the common sense God gave a tub of butter spend that kind of money on a piss poor head? That’s just stupid. And your argument that those heads are cool and they have 5k plus worth of head work done to them is the dumbest thing ever. And yet you continue to beat the drum to use a poor head because class rules force someone to use them. Utterly senseless and full blown moronic.
 
Rat Bastid said:
Why spend that kind of money to make less power you fool? What kind of money are in those heads? Stop being a douche bag.
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Why and can are not the same, please tell my why a 302 head cannot make power.
 
Hysteric said:
Why and can are not the same, please tell my why a 302 head cannot make power.
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See post 90. There is a word for you but I’ll refrain from using it, but God knows you are certainly what the word says you are. What are you, 12 years old?
 
Hysteric said:
That has nothing to with whether it can or can not be done. Answer the question. Can a 302 head flow enough air to make power. Yes or No.
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You asked, I answered. I'm not biting on your BS question about 302 heads that you'll then reword or move the goal posts again.
 
It was already made clear that GTX John runs 11's with a 302 headed 318 @ 4000 pounds but some how the heads are to small to run 11's @ 3400 pounds in a 360.

So that's a NO it can't possible run 11's in my car because......
 
fishmens67 said:
Efficiency is the key word.
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Very Good point. But the heads need to flow enough air to make enough power for you to use it efficiently. So back to the original question. Can a 302 head flow enough air to make power?
 
Hysteric said:
It was already made clear that GTX John runs 11's with a 302 headed 318 @ 4000 pounds but some how the heads are to small to run 11's @ 3400 pounds in a 360.

So that's a NO it can't possible run 11's in my car because......
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It would be a quicker, faster car with a better head. I realize you have a vested interest in trying to convince everyone here that we are stupid and you are smart because you are willing to spend a kings ransom on a junk cylinder head to run 11’s. A decent head would pick that car up .3 in a nano second.
 
Rat Bastid said:
It would be a quicker, faster car with a better head. I realize you have a vested interest in trying to convince everyone here that we are stupid and you are smart because you are willing to spend a kings ransom on a junk cylinder head to run 11’s. A decent head would pick that car up .3 in a nano second.
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We are not talking about a better head. We are talking about 302's. Can a 302 head flow enough air to make power?
 
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