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The customer IS NOT always right contrary to old folklore.

THIS part, I absolutely agree with.
I knew a guy....He used to live in a tee pee. Among his many faults, he would cheat any and every business that he could. He is the guy that would have a tool for years, wear it out, then buy a new one from the store and then stuff the old one in the box to return it as defective.
Self serve junkyards out here would use a special marker to mark parts that are available to return for refunds or exchanges. He went to a craft store to find paint that matched so he could return worn or damaged car parts that he never actually bought.
He was the type that also defended shoplifters based on the bullshit opinion that if they needed something and didn't have the money, they were entitled to it. You know, like the idiot looters that steal TVs during riots so they can feed their families...
The customer is not always right, that is a fact. Some are assholes, some are dishonest, some have some delusional impression that a business exists only to screw the customer so they are fair game to be mistreated.
If the OPs story about this "Dave" guy was the first and only time that I've heard it, I'd think nothing of it but come on, guys....There are numerous instances of similar treatment from the man.
 
THIS part, I absolutely agree with.
I knew a guy....He used to live in a tee pee. Among his many faults, he would cheat any and every business that he could. He is the guy that would have a tool for years, wear it out, then buy a new one from the store and then stuff the old one in the box to return it as defective.
Self serve junkyards out here would use a special marker to mark parts that are available to return for refunds or exchanges. He went to a craft store to find paint that matched so he could return worn or damaged car parts that he never actually bought.
He was the type that also defended shoplifters based on the bullshit opinion that if they needed something and didn't have the money, they were entitled to it. You know, like the idiot looters that steal TVs during riots so they can feed their families...
The customer is not always right, that is a fact. Some are assholes, some are dishonest, some have some delusional impression that a business exists only to screw the customer so they are fair game to be mistreated.
If the OPs story about this "Dave" guy was the first and only time that I've heard it, I'd think nothing of it but come on, guys....There are numerous instances of similar treatment from the man.
I was a victim of this exact mentality today… I ordered a new Edelbrock 1904 AVS2 with electric choke… I received it today.. when I opened the box, the Edelbrock box was a 1904 but torn and worn when I opened the box inside was a very used plastic bag with a partial carburetor in it. An original Edelbrock 1913 800 cfm with no choke, linkagegone, other parts missing.. a complete piece of ****! An obvious return of a used but cleaned up carburetor that was useless in most any application. Scum bags that do this **** deserve a boot in the balls!! Another reason I’m thankful I’m no longer in retail business. Any confrontation at this point if I was, would not end well..
 
If the OPs story about this "Dave" guy was the first and only time that I've heard it, I'd think nothing of it but come on, guys....There are numerous instances of similar treatment from the man.
have you bought anything from Hughes? have you ever dealt with Dave? or you just jumping on the bandwagon so you can be heard?
 
I've spoken to Dave many times on the phone. Purchased tons of parts from Hughes over the years, and even did some returns. Never a bad experience and they always took care of me and made it right. He even helped me source some hard to find parts during the COVID era.

Your results may vary.
 
That's your take/experience on it.
Exactly my point. The OP decided to bash a Mopar only business that’s been around for decades.

it’s ok for OP to express his take/experience but anyone that disagrees is not allowed to voice there experience? I think not.
 
Exactly my point. The OP decided to bash a Mopar only business that’s been around for decades.

it’s ok for OP to express his take/experience but anyone that disagrees is not allowed to voice there experience? I think not.
there's always 2 sides to every issue. unfortunately we only seem to hear the bad these days. how often is there a thread on any forum saying what great service and parts were bought from somewhere?
neil.
 
Never said you weren't allowed to voice your opinion, just like I'm voicing mine. **** Dave and his shitty customer service.
Lots of Mopar suppliers out there FOR ME. That I'll never have to contact that dick ever.
Exactly my point. The OP decided to bash a Mopar only business that’s been around for decades.

it’s ok for OP to express his take/experience but anyone that disagrees is not allowed to voice there experience? I think not.
 
there's always 2 sides to every issue. unfortunately we only seem to hear the bad these days. how often is there a thread on any forum saying what great service and parts were bought from somewhere?
neil.
As I mentioned earlier, always two sides to the story. As the OP has responded to the comments I can already see it wasn’t all on Hughes.
Never said you weren't allowed to voice your opinion, just like I'm voicing mine. **** Dave and his shitty customer service.
Lots of Mopar suppliers out there FOR ME. That I'll never have to contact that dick ever.
That’s totally fine. I had really good service and support of the years. I will not hesitate to buy from them again.
 
there's always 2 sides to every issue. unfortunately we only seem to hear the bad these days. how often is there a thread on any forum saying what great service and parts were bought from somewhere?
neil.
Actually there have been a few positive experiences in this thread including Oregon cam, Johnson machine both in Washington.
 
Right, I may have just exchanged for a set of 1.5 ratio if they would fit. I didn't want to pull my heads, disassemble and go through all that again. I wanted 1.6 because my Clay Smith cam is only 472 lift before lash.

How can you not want to pull your heads when getting your lift above .500"??? :realcrazy:

You should ALWAYS check piston to valve clearance when over .500" lift... That requires pulling the head...

If the valve hits a piston, your engine will have serious damage...
 
After a little thinking, I figured out that the factory threads to hold down the shafts were obstructed and their studs just couldn't go down far enough for the nut, not to tighten down on the halfway point the core it completely clamped down the shaft... in that case, I just ended up stacking a few little washers to get it to clamp down, and what is it fifteen to seventeen pounds...
Edit... MORONS!!!....

Why not chase the threads with a tap???

If there were a defect in one of the threads, the tap would fix it...

Plus, tapped holes are drilled deeper than the tap... That is called "chip allowance" which is because when they machine the parts on the machine lines, the taps do the hole in one step without backing out... If they don't have extra depth in the tapped hole, the chips accumulate and the tap will bottom out and break it off in the hole... They need that extra drilled hole to catch the chips so the tap doesn't bottom out on the chips that fall in the bottom of the hole when tapping... Chip allowance is dependent on how deep the tap needs to go in the hole... The deeper the tap, the more allowance you need for the chips...

You can tap them by hand to be deeper and take advantage of the extra drill depth for the chip allowance... With a hand tap, you can keep backing the tap out and cleaning the chips so you can use most if not all of the drill depth...

Just a little advice for next time...
 
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Wow! Now you all have me concerned. Hughes custom ground (or had it done) a cam for my 225. I talked to Dave and messaged him several times through the process. I told him what I was building and what I wanted to achieve. He recommended the grind, springs and valve size. He made it quite clear to me about the break-in, using single springs for the first runs then installing the inner springs. Dave made it clear about using the special break in oil, etc. To some, his communication could come across a condescending, in my case, I was asking questions and for advice, so his shortness during the conversation was taken as "that's who he is." My 20 years in the Air Force exposed me to these types of individuals almost on a daily basis. Most were officers, or as Sgt. Micklin would say "college boys!"
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BTW, I'm getting close to firing up the 225, as it is now on the test run stand I've made.

I had a cam custom ground at Crower for me ex's slant 6 for her Dart...

Dave did a great job and no "special instructions" were needed to break in and run the cam... The cam ran good and she had no problems with it...

My advice for cams is Crower or Oregon... They are both good companies...
 
Some engines will require clearancing for pushrods with higher ratio rockers. Hughes should include a note in the advertising so people know BEFORE they buy the rockers.

Increasing the rocker ratio will change the geometry...
 
I will add, I don't think that I have heard anyone complain about the quality of the parts that they sell.

Especially a drug dealer...

Whatever he has at the time is always "the best"... (Even if it isn't...)

[I heard that from a friend...] :rolleyes:
 
Dave reminds me of my machinest in a way. He is there to do business with engine builders. He has very little time or patience towards what he considers novice engine builders and hobbyists.

If that's how he feels, then he should only market to his target audience and not the "Dummies"...
 
I didn’t read the entire thread but maybe the guy is an asshole because of stuff just like this.

Clearly the OP is not an engine builder. He bought rockets he thought would bolt on. 99% of them do not, and the ones that do still need work.

I run 1.6 rockers and they didn’t fit either. Why? Because the heads were designed for 1.5 rockers. That means the pushrod tunnels and everything else is wrong for anything but a 1.5 rocker.

You not only need to clearance the tunnels for 1.6 rockers you need to correct the geometry.

That’s SOP.

So it’s not bad parts or customer service. It’s a guy that’s been in this business a long time. And he’s been dealing with guys who are unqualified to build engines trashing his parts.

This is on the OP.

The OP may not have known what he was getting into, however Dave charging him $200 to restock the parts is outrageous... :mad:
 
The OP may not have known what he was getting into, however Dave charging him $200 to restock the parts is outrageous... :mad:


Not really. It costs a bunch of money to put **** back in inventory.

The fact is most corporations like Chrysler will not put returned part back on the shelf. They scrap them. That’s the fact.

They do it because it costs less to scrap it then put it back on the shelf.

How much more expensive is it for a small company.

I’d bet a lot that if Hughes was wrong by sending the wrong parts or a defective part he would not have charged the restocking fee.
 
If Dave was worth AF, he would of sent me the needed spacers to correct a mistake he made, for free.
 
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