Today, dollar for dollar, is the 318 faster than the 340 ???

[justinp61]

I think I have 300 hp in my 750 dollar 318 lock, stock, and barrel. Anyone have a 100% stock 340 and wanna race??? equal gears, no headers. I'm game! I have less in my entire motor, including the 2 4bbls sitting on top than you'd have in just the block for a 340. And I think I'm in for the win ! Been beating the tar out of it for 6 yrs and counting....

That sounds like the Chevy guys around here. "Sure I'll run your stock Scamp with my 468 Camaro with ladder bars, big tires, nitrous on alcohol...........if you give me the hit".

 

[318willrun]

That sounds like the Chevy guys around here. "Sure I'll run your stock Scamp with my 468 Camaro with ladder bars, big tires, nitrous on alcohol...........if you give me the hit".

well, if you read up, all the hug bug about let's see a 300 hp 318... LOL. Again, though, right on que with this thread, a prime example on how a low dollar 318 can run with a 340 for 1/3 of the cost. Actually, it's what this entire thread is about. NOT what are we a fan of, but rather, on a 3k or less budget is the 318 a better choice for performance. Now, you have a stock 340 you wanna run against my 750 dollar - carbs to pan 318 ??? And, I still got another 2250 in that 3k budget to spend on my 318....

 

[justinp61]

well, if you read up, all the hug bug about let's see a 300 hp 318... LOL. Again, though, right on que with this thread, a prime example on how a low dollar 318 can run with a 340 for 1/3 of the cost. Actually, it's what this entire thread is about. NOT what are we a fan of, but rather, on a 3k or less budget is the 318 a better choice for performance. Now, you have a stock 340 you wanna run against my 750 dollar - carbs to pan 318 ??? And, I still got another 2250 in that 3k budget to spend on my 318....

Sorry, I don't own anything stock.

 

[Dave_J]

And now the name calling

There is an open challenge to run a little tweeked 750 dollar 318 "Heads up" to a stock but tuned 340. Any takers???

 

[Dartswinger70]

Just stop advising people to be cheap. There’s no free lunch.

Just stop advising people to be cheap. There’s no free lunch.

Best post in the whole thread. You "get it"

There is a saying and its usually on a sign at the beer distributor "life is too short to drink cheap beer..."

 

[318willrun]

And now the name calling

There is an open challenge to run a little tweeked 750 dollar 318 "Heads up" to a stock but tuned 340. Any takers???

And the real point is for the cost of the 340 block you can run with a stock 340 with a 318. As much as I love 340's, I just believe with today's prices the 318 is a faster motor at the end of the 3k budget. It's been my only point this entire thread. Somehow, I'm a "318 only guy", I hate 340's for whatever reason, ... good grief !!

 

[Dartswinger70]

And now the name calling

There is an open challenge to run a little tweeked 750 dollar 318 "Heads up" to a stock but tuned 340. Any takers???

I generally don't do name-calling until someone starts it,its usually a smartass"ok cupcake..." or the "Frances" comment in this one to which the perpetrator tried to say "I didn't call you names..." its a sign that the person lost the argument when they resort to name calling. The,challenge, it dyno run or racetrack?

Oh and whats this "stock but tuned "chit ? I think adding that caveat is just the teener crew admitting they are a little " nervous"
OR they are admitting the 340 is hot chit right out the box...

 

[273]

Way I see it you got two main camps when it comes NA street engine performance, Super Streetable 0.75-1:1 hp per cid and Street Strip/Race 1.05-1.4+:1 hp per cid, seems like 383 cid and above falls into the second camp and 318 below falls into the first and 340/360 falls into either. Problem seems to come from that 340/360 guys act like 273-318 guys are asking to build a street strip/race engine when there mostly asking to add mild cam 4bbl and maybe headers, sure a 360 would be better so would a 572, but no one is gonna build a 325 hp 572 and yes you can build a 1.05-1.4 hp:cid 318 it's obviously gonna make less than a 1.05-1.4 hp:cid 340/360 but also gonna need lot less cylinder head to do it. Not everyone has the ability to swap engines and even if they can, some don't care about max performance, most guy's are very under geared with their 360, and/or not using 100% of the power there cylinder heads can make very few cars are optimal builds, some are fine with a 318 even if it don't meet some guys on the internet standards.

 

[318willrun]

Way I see it you got two main camps when it comes NA street engine performance, Super Streetable 0.75-1:1 hp per cid and Street Strip/Race 1.05-1.4+:1 hp per cid, seems like 383 cid and above falls into the second camp and 318 below falls into the first and 340/360 falls into either. Problem seems to come from that 340/360 guys act like 273-318 guys are asking to build a street strip/race engine when there mostly asking to add mild cam 4bbl and maybe headers, sure a 360 would be better so would a 572, but no one is gonna build a 325 hp 572 and yes you can build a 1.05-1.4 hp:cid 318 it's obviously gonna make less than a 1.05-1.4 hp:cid 340/360 but also gonna need lot less cylinder head to do it. Not everyone has the ability to swap engines and even if they can, some don't care about max performance, most guy's are very under geared with their 360, and/or not using 100% of the power there cylinder heads can make very few cars are optimal builds, some are fine with a 318 even if it don't meet some guys on the internet standards.

bottom line is if somebody is a "340 only" guy, they'll kick, fuss and do everything but be realistic. You'll get the "you just hate 340's. hater hater hater"... LOL. It is not hard to say "yes, if you are limiting the budget to 3k and a guy has to buy the engine as part of the 3k at fair market value, I can see where the 318 is probably going to perform better at the drag way. " No way will a true 340 ONLY guy ever get himself to say that. Cannot happen, period. They'll literally disown their kids before they say that. Why? I have no idea, and I love 340's !

 

[fishmens67]

Pre 68 half you guy's would be **** out of luck and probably in the losers circle. lol

 

[273]

bottom line is if somebody is a "340 only" guy, they'll kick, fuss and do everything but be realistic. You'll get the "you just hate 340's. hater hater hater"... LOL. It is not hard to say "yes, if you are limiting the budget to 3k and a guy has to buy the engine as part of the 3k at fair market value, I can see where the 318 is probably going to perform better at the drag way. " No way will a true 340 ONLY guy ever get himself to say that. Cannot happen, period. They'll literally disown their kids before they say that. Why? I have no idea, and I love 340's !

I rather a zero decked 328 with speedmaster heads air gap xe275hl etc.. Then a refreshed 340.

 

[Dave_J]

And now the name calling

There is an open challenge to run a little tweeked 750 dollar 318 "Heads up" to a stock but tuned 340. Any takers???

I generally don't do name-calling until someone starts it,its usually a smartass"ok cupcake..." or the "Frances" comment in this one to which the perpetrator tried to say "I didn't call you names..." its a sign that the person lost the argument when they resort to name calling. The,challenge, it dyno run or racetrack?

Oh and whats this "stock but tuned "chit ? I think adding that caveat is just the teener crew admitting they are a little " nervous"
OR they are admitting the 340 is hot chit right out the box...

OR twisting a persons words around to prove their point.

When I said a "stock but tuned 340" I mean stock bore/stock stroke/stock cam for the car/stock iron heads/stock iron exhaust manifolds/stock iron intake manifold/stock size carb (Like in STOCK from factory) and you can advance the cam and adjust the timing to your best, called TUNING.

Not all of us can just sneeze $35,000 out our left nostril for a full tilt engine to put in to a $75,000 car and then challenge any 'Teener'.

 

[rmchrgr]

if you are limiting the budget to 3k and a guy has to buy the engine as part of the 3k at fair market value, I can see where the 318 is probably going to perform better at the drag way. !

Again, this whole premise is complete nonsense. Your thread title is "Today, dollar for dollar is the 318 faster than the 340?" The answer is no. Not now and not ever because you can't correlate the price of block A with how well it performs over block B. Give it up already.

Perhaps the title could have been, "There's millions of 318s laying in the dirt out there waiting to be turned into just kinda so-so boat anchors, how fast can you make one go on a cheapskate budget of $3K?" I will say this though, it was genius marketing on your part to take the potshot, you've got everyone's panties in a bunch arguing in circles about nothing. Congrats on that end.

In 2021 if you're a bucks down kid wanting to build an engine you're pretty far behind the curve if you're listening to some old loon telling you to sink your hard-earned paper route money into some ancient, wheezy small block when you can go find a used Gen III and make more power in stock form than any of the old Mopar small blocks. I mean 300 hp, for crissakes WTF cares? You'd be the laughing stock of the street bragging about that kind of output. Late model import V6s make more power.

And honestly, I didn't even realize there are "318 guys" out there. Seems weird to claim you're part of that group. Have fun with that!

 

[318willrun]

Again, this whole premise is complete nonsense. Your thread title is "Today, dollar for dollar is the 318 faster than the 340?" The answer is no. Not now and not ever because you can't correlate the price of block A with how well it performs over block B. Give it up already.

Perhaps the title could have been, "There's millions of 318s laying in the dirt out there waiting to be turned into just kinda so-so boat anchors, how fast can you make one go on a cheapskate budget of $3K?" I will say this though, it was genius marketing on your part to take the potshot, you've got everyone's panties in a bunch arguing in circles about nothing. Congrats on that end.

In 2021 if you're a bucks down kid wanting to build an engine you're pretty far behind the curve if you're listening to some old loon telling you to sink your hard-earned paper route money into some ancient, wheezy small block when you can go find a used Gen III and make more power in stock form than any of the old Mopar small blocks. I mean 300 hp, for crissakes WTF cares? You'd be the laughing stock of the street bragging about that kind of output. Late model import V6s make more power.

And honestly, I didn't even realize there are "318 guys" out there. Seems weird to claim you're part of that group. Have fun with that!

glad you joined the thread

 

[Dave_J]

Talk about butt hurt and panty in a bunch and then act like it too.

I do not have a 318 in my garage storage.
2-400's.
3-360's including 1-5.9 and 1-E58 LRT matching #
1-273 4bbl
2-2.2 Turbos and 2- 2.2 NA, 5 ported heads
2-Suzuki Burgman 650's complete engines.

In a day I could have 2-318 and 2-5.2's here.

So, maybe I could say I have a 2.2 Rampage that will beat your 100% stock 340 Ruster.
2.2 1.5mm over 11.0:1, Ported big valve head, 272 degree 0.460" lift roller cam, Ported intake with 465 CFM 4bb, 1.75" long tube header and 2 1/2 exhaust over the axle. Last ran 13.92 in a light weight Plymouth TC3 5 speed with 3.87 Qualf.
We were not finished tuning and chassis adjustments yet. TC3 rotted out. So I have 2 Rampages still. 1 stick and 1 auto.
Less that 145 CI Vs 340????

I have about $1500 in this motor in 2002 dollars, haven't worked on it since but it would not take much to get track ready if I NEEDED.

 

[mygasser]

Again, this whole premise is complete nonsense. Your thread title is "Today, dollar for dollar is the 318 faster than the 340?" The answer is no. Not now and not ever because you can't correlate the price of block A with how well it performs over block B. Give it up already.

Perhaps the title could have been, "There's millions of 318s laying in the dirt out there waiting to be turned into just kinda so-so boat anchors, how fast can you make one go on a cheapskate budget of $3K?" I will say this though, it was genius marketing on your part to take the potshot, you've got everyone's panties in a bunch arguing in circles about nothing. Congrats on that end.

In 2021 if you're a bucks down kid wanting to build an engine you're pretty far behind the curve if you're listening to some old loon telling you to sink your hard-earned paper route money into some ancient, wheezy small block when you can go find a used Gen III and make more power in stock form than any of the old Mopar small blocks. I mean 300 hp, for crissakes WTF cares? You'd be the laughing stock of the street bragging about that kind of output. Late model import V6s make more power.

And honestly, I didn't even realize there are "318 guys" out there. Seems weird to claim you're part of that group. Have fun with that!

a prime example of what 318willrun talks about in post 534 above

 

[Dartswinger70]

OR twisting a persons words around to prove their point.

When I said a "stock but tuned 340" I mean stock bore/stock stroke/stock cam for the car/stock iron heads/stock iron exhaust manifolds/stock iron intake manifold/stock size carb (Like in STOCK from factory) and you can advance the cam and adjust the timing to your best, called TUNING.

Not all of us can just sneeze $35,000 out our left nostril for a full tilt engine to put in to a $75,000 car and then challenge any 'Teener'.

In all reality the engines should be whatever the builder wants to do. The 318 guys aren't going to be using stock heads for example.so the 318 guys can mod all they want but 340 guy can tune. Sounds like "Just wait while I attempt to convert this 318 to a 340 and we'll race..."

 

[mygasser]

i really don't get the 'them' and 'us' attitude, we're all car guys and mopar guys too so it's not even a brand loyalty thing.

 

[Dartswinger70]

A thought occurred to me, the 340 is the Chrysler engineers version of a Hi po LA. No amount of tweaking a 318 is going to meet or exceed what the engineers came up with. I think this conversation has ran its course.

 

[Dartswinger70]

Again, this whole premise is complete nonsense. Your thread title is "Today, dollar for dollar is the 318 faster than the 340?" The answer is no. Not now and not ever because you can't correlate the price of block A with how well it performs over block B. Give it up already

Youre right. There are some "fast" modern cars out there. Young kids if they can swing it are buying Nissans,Acuras,Hondas,Acura,,. These aren't the cars I am referring to,but these mentioned cars perform well at highway speed,which in my area is well above 70. 70 is slow lane speed.

Perhaps the title could have been, "There's millions of 318s laying in the dirt out there waiting to be turned into just kinda so-so boat anchors, how fast can you make one go on a cheapskate budget of $3K?" I will say this though, it was genius marketing on your part to take the potshot, you've got everyone's panties in a bunch arguing in circles about nothing. Congrats on that end.

In 2021 if you're a bucks down kid wanting to build an engine you're pretty far behind the curve if you're listening to some old loon telling you to sink your hard-earned paper route money into some ancient, wheezy small block when you can go find a used Gen III and make more power in stock form than any of the old Mopar small blocks. I mean 300 hp, for crissakes WTF cares? You'd be the laughing stock of the street bragging about that kind of output. Late model import V6s make more power.

And honestly, I didn't even realize there are "318 guys" out there. Seems weird to claim you're part of that group. Have fun with that!

 

[273]

i really don't get the 'them' and 'us' attitude, we're all car guys and mopar guys too so it's not even a brand loyalty thing.

Same, Don't get the anti 318's no one is saying a 318 is better than a 340 but it's not terrible either, just a 318 has 95% of the ability of a 340, some here act like a 318 couldn't even come within 50% of a 340 performance.

 

[mygasser]

Same, Don't get the anti 318's no one is saying a 318 is better than a 340 but it's not terrible either, just a 318 has 95% of the ability of a 340, some here act like a 318 couldn't even come within 50% of a 340 performance.

and god forbid be faster for a given buy and build budget

 

[66fs]

I generally don't do name-calling until someone starts it,its usually a smartass"ok cupcake..." or the "Frances" comment in this one to which the perpetrator tried to say "I didn't call you names..." its a sign that the person lost the argument when they resort to name calling. The,challenge, it dyno run or racetrack?

Oh and whats this "stock but tuned "chit ? I think adding that caveat is just the teener crew admitting they are a little " nervous"
OR they are admitting the 340 is hot chit right out the box...

I think, if a 318 guy actually took a 340 apart saw what's in it, they may change their mind. Mopar got it right with that engine, just the internals are enough to make you a believer. For example the forged crank, internally balanced, the heavy duty rods, the 68-71 pistons that are high compression, the heads with 2.02 valves, the 68 manual trans cam., the casting and port size...double roller timing chain, windage tray high flow exhaust manifolds I believe the main caps are unique to 340 , the 4 barrel intake and carb.. Prestolite Dual point distributor Not much to it but there is the "original" recipe.
I mean having rebuilt both more than one of each over the years its a no brainer. I will admit I've never rebuilt a 360.

I would be "unenthused" to take apart a 318,with a cast crank, the light duty rods, the flat top pistons, the small port heads with small ports and valves, the two barrel carb and intake, the nylon timing gear (I wonder how many out there still have that LOL!) then dick around with it, buy a cam, intake carb, what are you doing with the heads? replacing with Edelbrocks? that's $1500 there last I checked. then what .030 over with raised compression pistons? not cheap, cam?...lifters timing chain... headers. That 3 grand spent up quick I'm thinking...

P.S. I know that some early 318 I believe Truck engines had the forged crank and heavy duty rods, that would be a score to get that engine as a core IMO.

What a clown you are, cupcake. I posted a thread from the race section with more than a few 318's with times in the 10's and 12's. If you actually built motors, you would know that 318's use the same rod forgings as 340's. The cast crank is fine for well over 300 hp, 340's used them in 72 and 73. Why keep small port heads, when used 360 heads are cheap. Stock 340 intakes are cheap, stock TQ's or AVS's are cheap. All you need are a set of pistons, and a cam kit, and some machine work to beat a stock 340. Easily done in under $3,000. Am I going to build one to stick it to some clown on the internet? No, I have 340's, a 5.2, 273's, 383, a 440 and early Hemis. But I do know how to make anything run.

 

[Dartswinger70]

What a clown you are, cupcake. I posted a thread from the race section with more than a few 318's with times in the 10's and 12's. If you actually built motors, you would know that 318's use the same rod forgings as 340's. The cast crank is fine for well over 300 hp, 340's used them in 72 and 73. Why keep small port heads, when used 360 heads are cheap. Stock 340 intakes are cheap, stock TQ's or AVS's are cheap. All you need are a set of pistons, and a cam kit, and some machine work to beat a stock 340. Easily done in under $3,000. Am I going to build one to stick it to some clown on the internet? No, I have 340's, a 5.2, 273's, 383, a 440 and early Hemis. But I do know how to make anything run.

...I never liked you anyway...

 

[mygasser]

How about you stuff a frozen hot dogg up your *** faggot...

well that proves it then, 340's are faster