Which heads to get?

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Ede's don't flow close to the IMM RHS X head...

Brians heads are 10+ cfm stronger from .200 and up with a peak of almost 25cfm at .550 lift.

No alleged aluminum compression bump is going to make up that flow difference.
 
"Soft as butter" eh? Really? I hadn't heard that. Where did you get that information?

42 years hands in the Automotive work place including 6 years with a full time engine shop. Did my apprenticeship in the 1970's on Mercedes Benz (all alloy headed) later 14 years in a Ford dealer (all alloy headed inline 6 and alloy headed OHC 4 cyl) drifted around then had 6 years at Salisbury Engines here in South Australia. Yep Aluminum heads (can) go soft when they've been hot - seen so called reconditioned heads that have had weld repairs to corroded water jackets that you can't torque down because the bolts sink through the head material.
The last car maker to use iron heads here in Australia would have been GM until 6 or 7 years ago other wise I can't think of any iron headed factory engines in our market since the early 1980's maybe even the later 1970's. Can't believe you haven't seen soft heads regularly.
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For myself, I'm no longer in the automotive biz. Since the early 90's. And by then, I was winding it down to the KISS repairs. By '98, it was a wrap. Done. Became a heavy mechanic for a rail road. Less an hour off set by full bennefits and a defined retirement package. In effect, more money than wrenching on my own in the end.

Anytime an engine is done in my garage for myself or a friend it is all new parts. Wrapped that up about 4 years ago. Now it's just my stuff.
 
Brians heads are 10+ cfm stronger from .200 and up with a peak of almost 25cfm at .550 lift.

No alleged aluminum compression bump is going to make up that flow difference.
That is the right kind of comparative info to put out they are a good bang for the buck.

And agreed on the HP gain; higher CR is good to widen torque band but not the peak HP. (And the CR bump is really what you can use if you want, not "alleged") That extra flow is worth some real HP.

We are happy with 375-400 HP so either is fine for our type of use and value the higher CR effect on torque improvement.

BTW, if you get the Edelbrocks, and the shop that checks them has a Serdi valve machine, then it is a quick job to just open up the intake ports right below the valve seats as part of the checking, and gain most or all of that flow difference back versus the IMM heads. We spent all of $110 on the checks AND the Serdi work here at a good shop. (But our shop rates seem to be lower than average, so that cost may vary.)
 
Yep Aluminum heads (can) go soft when they've been hot - seen so called reconditioned heads that have had weld repairs to corroded water jackets that you can't torque down because the bolts sink through the head material.
That's a new one for me but I won't say it is impossible. Do you recall which manufacturer's heads those were?
 
i notice no one ever talks about the durability of any aluminium cylinder head. Alloy heads will go soft as butter if you over heat the engine so for my money if you can't torque 'em down they are the door stops not the eq iron heads. Have a look at the basic eq magnum headed engine ramm built that made well over 500 hp that is a regular driver.
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bullshit!!!
 
... all aluminum, isn't aluminum. I sent my leaking W5 head to a guy in Iowa that regularly brings Brodix sprint car heads back from the dead. Couldn't weld on the W5.... it would literally crumble. It's all about who casts it and what material did they use.
 
Hate to stick my nose in………but I will, iron heads vs aluminum heads. Head weight difference is about 45lbs, aluminum will act like it’s about 1 compression lower then iron, but is a lot more forgiving to spark knock then iron. Don’t fall in love with flow numbers, there is velocity, atomization, and heat transfer, that all need to be considered. Now I hear these statements all the time, but the truth is everything being equal “IRON HEADS WILL ALWAYS MAKE MORE POWER” “ALWAYS” (thermal properties of iron offer a power advantage over aluminum) call Edelbrock or Mopar Performance and ask them. Now that being said, there are 4 things to take into consideration, 1) iron or aluminum, 2) High-end 700 to 1200 plus HP: W2 (Square or Oval), Victor (they were supposed to be out last year, but they just came out), Indy 360-1 or 360-2 (Square or Oval), Brodix Small Block Chrysler B1, these are best heads out there, 3) Mid-grade 400 to 700 hp: EDL-Performer RPM, Mopar Commando’s, RHS (was making a good head not sure if they still do), SpeedMaster/Pro Comp, Trick Flow Specialties, 4) Average heads up to about 425 hp without a lot of work with a lot of work up to about 500 hp: X, J, 360, Performers. I am sure I have missed a few, but I got most of them

Performance Racing Industry; By John F. Katz
The weight-saving advantages of aluminum heads versus cast iron are obvious and widely accepted—especially in drag racing, where weight high up in the front of the car is especially undesirable. “Cast iron has been used for making cylinder heads since the early days of the internal combustion engine,” noted Jack McInnis of World Products, Louisville, Kentucky. “Its primary advantages relative to aluminum are lower cost and durability. Aluminum’s significant advantages are light weight and relative ease of repair by welding.” But could the thermal properties of iron offer a power advantage over aluminum? That question gets complicated. “Thermal conductivity has been debated for many years,” said Kevin Feeney of RHS, Memphis, Tennessee. “Historically, an iron head was considered more durable, and able to make more power due to the fact that it would not dissipate the combustion heat as quickly. With everything else remaining equal, there exists some merit to this argument.” Mike Downs of Trick Flow Specialties, Tallmadge, Ohio, pointed out that the thermal conductivity of aluminum is “four or five times that of iron. This means an iron head will usually operate hotter. On the positive side, this means the fuel is pre-heated in the intake runner and easier to ignite in the cylinder. On the negative side, it means the preheated air/fuel mixture will expand, reducing the effective flow into the engine and increasing the risk of pre-ignition. A properly designed aluminum head will transfer heat more quickly to the coolant, leaving the intake runner cooler and therefore able to flow more air-fuel mixture into the cylinder. High-energy ignition systems easily compensate for the cooler intake charge and help achieve maximum fuel burn.” “The greater thermal conductivity of aluminum is a great advantage,” agreed Chris Frank of Frankenstein Racing Heads, Joshua, Texas, “especially in power-adder applications. That ability to dissipate heat quickly allows for more aggressive tune-ups.” “Aluminum heads dissipate heat quicker than cast iron,” echoed Torrance, California-based Edelbrock’s Smitty Smith. “This can be an advantage in elimination-style drag racing, keeping the head temperature consistent round after round.” With aluminum, Tony Mamo of AFR (Air Flow Research), Valencia, California, concurred, “Detonation is less likely in an engine on the ragged edge, as it won’t hold as much heat. But that also firms up the argument that a cast iron head on an engine without detonation issues would make more power for the very same reason!” “You need to build more heat with aluminum to make the same power,” agreed Bill Mitchell Jr. of Bill Mitchell Products, Ronkonkoma, New York, “or compensate by coating the chambers to keep more heat in the cylinders.”
Machinability

“The machinability of cast iron is actually pretty good,” said Sonny Leonard of Sonny’s Racing Engines and Components, Lynchburg, Virginia. “The main hurdle would be during the CNC porting process. You tend to be machining in slender cavities, which dictates using less rigid tooling. This may require longer cycle times, which would reduce profitability.” That said, “cast iron does offer some advantages over aluminum. Cast iron has greater stiffness and damping characteristics, which may aid valvetrain stability. But the weight penalty is too great to really explore this option. The weight issue will always be the deciding factor.” Added Carroll Carter of C & C Motorsports, Manassas, Virginia: “Aluminum is preferred over iron due to its light weight, intrinsic metal characteristics, and the ease of working with it. Aluminum is easier to machine and easier to repair—and it creates a better-looking product. Today’s advanced CNC machining centers and other computerized shop equipment are turning race engines into works of art.” Additional Content: Visit Performance Racing Industry Magazine online for comprehensive feature articles on Drag Race Cylinder Heads and the 2014 Drag Race Market, as well as our exclusive report on Diesel Drags.
 
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