You have to be INSANE to have long-tube headers on a big-block A-body Mopar!

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67Dart273 said:
What TTI's are you referring to?
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As I said it's what you are willing to do. I have a set of 1 3/4" TTI's that were slated for my car and with one tube flattening it easily fit around my Borgeson box (RB block.) There is a member on here who did a set of 2" TTI's with a factory steering box.

It's a tight space making it fit no matter what. If I had to do it over again I would get a raw Driverside header and cut/refab/weld and then coat it. Why TTI doesn't address this is beyond me but that's the reality of it.

JW
 
SLOPAR72 said:
As I said it's what you are willing to do. I have a set of 1 3/4" TTI's that were slated for my car and with one tube flattening it easily fit around my Borgeson box (RB block.) There is a member on here who did a set of 2" TTI's with a factory steering box.

It's a tight space making it fit no matter what. If I had to do it over again I would get a raw Driverside header and cut/refab/weld and then coat it. Why TTI doesn't address this is beyond me but that's the reality of it.

JW
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This is what has me concerned, I don’t want to drop good coin on headers I have to modify when I can buy cheap and do the same
 
Kern Dog said:
It isn't bad engineering when you look at it from an OEM stock point of view.
When left as designed and built, it is excellent engineering. It was designed to be light, strong and simple.
The biggest problem is that when an enthusiast wants to use headers, they find that the factory didn't leave any room for them.
Why should they? What possible advantages are there for a car manufacturer to engineer their cars so that the 2% of owners will have an easier time to modify them?
I love headers. I use them on my performance cars so this is not an argument against them.
Look at the design. Rear mounted steering gear is less susceptible to damage and allows the steering column to be shorter. It also moves weight toward the center instead of further forward. Torsion bar suspension allows for lighter control arms and for the weight to be lower and more toward the center.
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I think the engineers were laughing their butts off while saying "wait until they try to shove headers in there". Because after all Race on Sunday sell on Monday was Chryslers battle cry and with a history of racing knew that these cars were going to be rodded up. I mean hell, Chevrolet was offering cross rams and headers for the Z-28 to be installed at the dealership.
 
A big block in a Dart is already a fast car with manifolds. The 67 and up cars accept the B or C body HP manifolds with little to no mods and flow very well. Unless you're building a really hot street or race car, it's just not worth the trouble. I've seen a 71 Dart with a stock stroke 383 get into the mid 11s with manifolds. That should be plenty "fun enough" for a street car, "you'd think".
 
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Rassnasty82 said:
This is what has me concerned, I don’t want to drop good coin on headers I have to modify when I can buy cheap and do the same
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Winner, winner..... It's a tight fit. Don't let anybody kid you. But things could be worse.....

JW
 
A56 said:
I think the engineers were laughing their butts off while saying "wait until they try to shove headers in there". Because after all Race on Sunday sell on Monday was Chryslers battle cry and with a history of racing knew that these cars were going to be rodded up. I mean hell, Chevrolet was offering cross rams and headers for the Z-28 to be installed at the dealership.
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If there was an interest in Mopar like GM I think TTI would get their feelings hurt in regards to Headers. In all fairness it is a niche market so at one point you gotta roll the dice and put your product out.

It would be interesting for someone to ask Lemons the cost to build a set. The 2 sets I have installed were literally built by measurements from a phone conversation and fit really nice. It was a shocker to say the least....

JW
 
I had 2" CPPA under chassis headers in my 69 383-S for nearly 25 years. I was the 11th person in the country to buy them as told by Roland Osborne. Fortunately, I never had a starter go out, but everytime I pulled the engine during that time, I replaced the starter to try to eliminate the pain if the starter went out. There is no way that I could see to pull the starter without pulling the engine, however, pulling the k frame out from under the engine might work. I never considered that... Rod

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rklein383 said:
I had 2" CPPA under chassis headers in my 69 383-S for nearly 25 years. I was the 11th person in the country to buy them as told by Roland Osborne. Fortunately, I never had a starter go out, but everytime I pulled the engine during that time, I replaced the starter to try to eliminate the pain if the starter went out. There is no way that I could see to pull the starter without pulling the engine, however, pulling the k frame out from under the engine might work. I never considered that... Rod

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Would that be the roland osborn of the old ''hemi owners association ?" If so I had dinner with him once in Tulsa ---------------
 
famous bob said:
Would that be the roland osborn of the old ''hemi owners association ?" If so I had dinner with him once in Tulsa ---------------
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Yes, it was him. I bought the headers back around 1987 or so. I never met him, but spoke with him several times. After I bought the headers, I found out that they were not made to fit four speeds. I managed to make a whammy dine z-bar that worked. As far as I know, I might have been the first to get a four speed to work with those headers. Rod
 
rklein383 said:
Yes, it was him. I bought the headers back around 1987 or so. I never met him, but spoke with him several times. After I bought the headers, I found out that they were not made to fit four speeds. I managed to make a whammy dine z-bar that worked. As far as I know, I might have been the first to get a four speed to work with those headers. Rod
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What ever happened to him , do u know ?
 
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