Not to beat a dead horse, because clearly some here have strong negative opinions on this show,,,,but.....my curiosity got the better of me....so bear with me as I soap-box a little....and blow some hot air.
I re-watched parts of the charger show last night (its on my DVR) and for the life of me I still cannot figure out how some folks here can say they "hacked" the body work....
First off, the shots of the car that they use are not long in duration enough to really examine...freezing on the DVR doesnt help much as digital noise makes it look funny...the paint and body doesnt look (to me) as ferocious as some are saying....maybe you know better what to look for, but I dont see "waves and ripples galore" like someone said.....
Are you guys really that good that you can judge a car on tv in about 15 seconds of dutch angled, quickly cut shots spread out over an hour of show?
If you are then I bow to your presence. LOL
They didnt put the new vinyl over the old vinyl as someone suggested, they put it on the black primered roof.
Someone said that they were amazed that they decided to take the headliner down after the body was painted. Well, i bought my car after it just had a fresh repaint and the "original" dirty, light blue headliner was in it....I cleaned and dyed it while it was still in the car and it looks like new. Its not necessary to take down a headliner inside the car to do a repaint outside the car....and I would bet that a few folks here have done the same exact thing. The fact that it turned out to be filled with rat ****, well, who could have predicted that?
Someone question if Legendary could have gotten them the parts that quickly....well, when a company is promised free air time to show their product, they jump to it. Plus, overnight shipping has saved my *** more than a few times.
Lots of pieces are left out of the build process.....like the engine rebuilds.....assuming they are just slapping a coat of paint on an old engine and calling it new is unfair....you cant say that because the editer/producer never shows the engine being rebuilt or not.....it is left out. I am sure there are some guys here who can do a top end rebuild here in their sleep on a day, right?
The frame fix they did on the charger had me wondering too...so i asked an old timer I know with decades of frame experience....and he said 'Well, how the hell do you think they repair frames??? They un-bend 'em!".
to the person who made that comment, what would have been the "right" way to repair that frame section in your opinion...replace it I guess?
Is the car REALLY built in 3 weeks? Who knows. But people picking on things like "the legs of the rack holding up the a body barracuda's rear glass were different in one shot versus the other"....you do realize that this is all shot over a period of weeks, right? And things do move around a shop sometimes in that time....and when they were editing the show, they likely mixed shots from different parts of a day or maybe even parts of a week to form a story line......that said, I am a video producer/ editor by trade for over 20 years and I have an eye for continuity and things that dont feel right when cutting a show together. I can tell you that as far as editing, the show does have a lot of continuity issues.....but thats common in todays TV entertainment....like everything else, speed to completion and cost savings is key...and sometimes continuity is sacrificed to meet deadlines or simply because that is how the shoot went down. But that is a problem in editing/production, not with the people being taped.
I really do think that "the right way" has a lot of definitions to a lot of people.
If they were using spray foam and newspapers to fill in rust holes and masking tape to hold panels on, I would say they are hacks too....clearly the wrong way.
But when the goal is to make a driver-quality car out of a rust heap and then sell it for $15k versus $75k? Lines get blurred.
The "they use used parts" comment is the one that got me the most. No one here uses 100% new parts. Many of us mix and match and use stuff that may not be 100% correct but it will work for now or simply because we like it that way.
If there were more video evidence of things being done "the wrong way" at Desert maybe i would jump on the bandwagon too...but as its stands? The show doesnt show enough of the vehicles to really highlight poor quality etc....what you are seeing could be do to poor lighting, reflections, weird camera angles, etc.
As a reality show overall, it sort of sucks eggs.....clearly some things are staged. And the editing is at times ferocious. BUT THAT IS HOW TV IS MADE! LOL
Cripes...people are falling all over themselves saying how great Graveyard Carz: is and you get MAYBE 10 minutes of car content in an hour of show.....its one big soap opera, and its all staged too! That show I think is actually shot well and edited well, but its a soap opera and that doesnt interest me.....I found myself sitting there watching the BS just because of the promise of Mopar content.
Musclecars is one show I really enjoy because its just about fixing up the car...no BS drama or grab *** antics....just car content that i can use.
Ok...I'll shut my pie hole now......LOL
You're on point, but you missed the most crucial angle on ANY of these shows. The reality of it all is that NONE of these show's first priority is the cars. Sure these folks are into cars, restorations, modifications, whatever. The driving force behind them is money. You have a producer who wants to put together a entertainment package that a broadcasting company will buy. You have a broadcasting company that wants to purchase a product that will entice viewers so sponsers will buy blocks of advertising time. It's the same for any show on the brain sucker. Wether it's Desert Car Hacks or the ABC World News. (You didn't think they really cared about keeping you informed, did you?)
You're on point, but you missed the most crucial angle on ANY of these shows. The reality of it all is that NONE of these show's first priority is the cars. Sure these folks are into cars, restorations, modifications, whatever. The driving force behind them is money. You have a producer who wants to put together a entertainment package that a broadcasting company will buy. You have a broadcasting company that wants to purchase a product that will entice viewers so sponsers will buy blocks of advertising time. It's the same for any show on the brain sucker. Wether it's Desert Car Hacks or the ABC World News. (You didn't think they really cared about keeping you informed, did you?)
Thing is I wouldn't care if a TV show restored that car or an average Joe. No matter who did it, it was a butcher job... No matter who did it, I would point out that they shot paint over cratered steel without doing anything to eliminate the craters, and dents. A butcher, is a butcher...
Craters and dents? Can you explain in what segment of the show you see craters and dents? I have it on DVR and would like to go back and see if I can see myself, as a learning experience.
I keep hearing "butcher job" ....still trying to figure out how that assessment can be made given the way the show is cut together.
The finished car is shown in several 2 second (tops) cuts and from various angles......you see craters and dents in those shots?
Point out exactly what makes it a butcher job as its final product.....cause I have been an editor for over 20 years and feel like I am a pretty good judge of detail when it comes to tv production and I can't see it. I am not as experienced as many of you here when it comes to restoring cars, so I would like to know what to look for.....but my common-sense seems to say that for a driver-quality car, what they do is not far from where it needs to be.
Credit to ya for speaking up. I don't think it's the best car show ever, but it's a car show. Beats some of the other shows on TV right now, unless you like Dancing with the Stars or the like . . . lol. I'm glad it's on, something to watch that I'm interested in . . CARS! I don't agree with everything, there is some BS, but it is entertaining. My 2 cents.:-DNot to beat a dead horse, because clearly some here have strong negative opinions on this show,,,,but.....my curiosity got the better of me....so bear with me as I soap-box a little....and blow some hot air.
I re-watched parts of the charger show last night (its on my DVR) and for the life of me I still cannot figure out how some folks here can say they "hacked" the body work....
First off, the shots of the car that they use are not long in duration enough to really examine...freezing on the DVR doesnt help much as digital noise makes it look funny...the paint and body doesnt look (to me) as ferocious as some are saying....maybe you know better what to look for, but I dont see "waves and ripples galore" like someone said.....
Are you guys really that good that you can judge a car on tv in about 15 seconds of dutch angled, quickly cut shots spread out over an hour of show?
If you are then I bow to your presence. LOL
They didnt put the new vinyl over the old vinyl as someone suggested, they put it on the black primered roof.
Someone said that they were amazed that they decided to take the headliner down after the body was painted. Well, i bought my car after it just had a fresh repaint and the "original" dirty, light blue headliner was in it....I cleaned and dyed it while it was still in the car and it looks like new. Its not necessary to take down a headliner inside the car to do a repaint outside the car....and I would bet that a few folks here have done the same exact thing. The fact that it turned out to be filled with rat ****, well, who could have predicted that?
Someone question if Legendary could have gotten them the parts that quickly....well, when a company is promised free air time to show their product, they jump to it. Plus, overnight shipping has saved my *** more than a few times.
Lots of pieces are left out of the build process.....like the engine rebuilds.....assuming they are just slapping a coat of paint on an old engine and calling it new is unfair....you cant say that because the editer/producer never shows the engine being rebuilt or not.....it is left out. I am sure there are some guys here who can do a top end rebuild here in their sleep on a day, right?
The frame fix they did on the charger had me wondering too...so i asked an old timer I know with decades of frame experience....and he said 'Well, how the hell do you think they repair frames??? They un-bend 'em!".
to the person who made that comment, what would have been the "right" way to repair that frame section in your opinion...replace it I guess?
Is the car REALLY built in 3 weeks? Who knows. But people picking on things like "the legs of the rack holding up the a body barracuda's rear glass were different in one shot versus the other"....you do realize that this is all shot over a period of weeks, right? And things do move around a shop sometimes in that time....and when they were editing the show, they likely mixed shots from different parts of a day or maybe even parts of a week to form a story line......that said, I am a video producer/ editor by trade for over 20 years and I have an eye for continuity and things that dont feel right when cutting a show together. I can tell you that as far as editing, the show does have a lot of continuity issues.....but thats common in todays TV entertainment....like everything else, speed to completion and cost savings is key...and sometimes continuity is sacrificed to meet deadlines or simply because that is how the shoot went down. But that is a problem in editing/production, not with the people being taped.
I really do think that "the right way" has a lot of definitions to a lot of people.
If they were using spray foam and newspapers to fill in rust holes and masking tape to hold panels on, I would say they are hacks too....clearly the wrong way.
But when the goal is to make a driver-quality car out of a rust heap and then sell it for $15k versus $75k? Lines get blurred.
The "they use used parts" comment is the one that got me the most. No one here uses 100% new parts. Many of us mix and match and use stuff that may not be 100% correct but it will work for now or simply because we like it that way.
If there were more video evidence of things being done "the wrong way" at Desert maybe i would jump on the bandwagon too...but as its stands? The show doesnt show enough of the vehicles to really highlight poor quality etc....what you are seeing could be do to poor lighting, reflections, weird camera angles, etc.
As a reality show overall, it sort of sucks eggs.....clearly some things are staged. And the editing is at times ferocious. BUT THAT IS HOW TV IS MADE! LOL
Cripes...people are falling all over themselves saying how great Graveyard Carz: is and you get MAYBE 10 minutes of car content in an hour of show.....its one big soap opera, and its all staged too! That show I think is actually shot well and edited well, but its a soap opera and that doesnt interest me.....I found myself sitting there watching the BS just because of the promise of Mopar content.
Musclecars is one show I really enjoy because its just about fixing up the car...no BS drama or grab *** antics....just car content that i can use.
Ok...I'll shut my pie hole now......LOL
Craters and dents? Can you explain in what segment of the show you see craters and dents? I have it on DVR and would like to go back and see if I can see myself, as a learning experience.
The finished car is shown in several 2 second (tops) cuts and from various angles......you see craters and dents in those shots?
Point out exactly what makes it a butcher job as its final product.....cause I have been an editor for over 20 years and feel like I am a pretty good judge of detail when it comes to tv production and I can't see it.
Anything less then 20 seconds is respectable! Yeah right at 19.6 seconds you just don't know what your doin.
By making these cars so affordable (not Barrett-Jackson crazy prices), we are turning what would have been just a image on a TV set into a real life test drive for the new owners of our auction specials. We are turning the keys over to the next generation of car enthusiasts, which is the only way to TRULY keep this great hobby alive!!!
The fact that the acting is crappy is because we are not actors. This is REALITY show.... One thing I would like to get straight and if anyone hasn't figured it out by now. We are not a DIY, How-to, or process show. If you want to learn how to bleed breaks, pull moldings properly, or change your oil, we suggest you simply Google it on your PC or asking your uncle Mike the mechanic. Only watch DCK for the entertainment and the excitment of seeing all the old cars.
For all the haters out there....NEXT TIME I"LL TRY TO DO BETTER!!!
J. MCCLURE DCK 2011