I guess it's true, there is one born every minute! :angry7:
It was a nice car but it was still a slant 6 car by the numbers! I guess as long as everyone is happy - who cares! :toothy10:
Your car was what most would call the perfect storm, down prices and a impendingI just sold my 71 demon, really not by choice but do to my ex for $26,650....So to say the market is dead is wrong..It's a soft market right now, good for the buyers tough for the sellers...
*********************************************************It's not so much a "dead" market as it is a "cautious" one. For instance, there used to be a time not too long ago when the word "Mopar" instantly meant big dollars for whatever it was being sold. This syndrome went on for quite a few years and like it or not, owning one of the vintage Mopars quickly became a dream for most of us not pulling down 6 figures a year in income. I have always loved old Mopars and I sure as heck wish I could say I owned a Cuda, Challenger, Dart, Demon, or ANY old Mopar for that matter, but the sad fact is, the cars are STILL too danged expensive for my income. As much as it might be entertaining to watch, I also think shows like the Barrett-Jackson Road Circus really hurt the chances of "regular" guys owning any real desirable Mopars too. The publicity of this Cuda or that Challenger or that Charger or whatever Mopar was on the block only caused more attention to ALL of the Mopars and those who own them automatically think their Slant 6 Duster sitting in Uncle Elmer's cow pasture is automatically worth $10k. In the end, alot of cars go unsold, some even end up being recycled due to ignorance too.
I am now starting a search in earnest for an older Mopar. Of course I would love a Roadrunner, Challenger, Cuda, or even an older Charger, but I'm also intelligent to know that the chances of me stumbling across an honest deal for onoe of these cars is slim to none these days. Unfortunately, the majority of the cars I'm being shown are worth little more than scrap, yet are bringing foolish price tags. I guess people feel that when someone says they are in the market for a car that they are desperate just to buy anything that comes along. Maybe for some, but not for me. It's also frustrating when people post cars for sale on forums such as this, yet disappear after posting the ad. I have replied to several ads for cars posted on various forums and some sellers just don't answer questions or only answer selected questions. To me that just shows they are not serious about selling their car and if I have to ask more than once about a car, I simply move on.
As for the Demon posted here, that car was gorgeous, no doubt about it. If I had the money I would have scarfed it up in a heartbeat. I'll just continue on my journey searching for the car that's right for me.
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This is the most well-reasoned response in this thread. I still would like proof that cars are actually being sold, money exchanged and titles transferred. Most of the sleaze-bay auctions end without the deals being completed, and the cars actually never change hands.
Where's the proof, instead of speculation, conjecture, etc.?
After seeing the Mecum auction this past weekend on HD Net, with a PERFECT, 100% 1970 'Cuda 340, Hemi Orange - pistol grip - all documented - every nut and bolt restored - all matching numbers - with all ownership documentation --- sold for $27,000 ... that told me all I need to know about the current state of the muscle car market.
Many cars being offered at Mecum were PERFECT examples needing NO work.
I see prices coming down but these old cars still aren't cheap. Demand still out strips supply. $27,000 for a nice 340 4 spd 'Cuda is at least $20,000 less then what it would have fetched a few years back when prices were really stupid. But the average guy does not have $27,000 laying around to buy a hobby car. That is way out of reach for most people. The long term trend is up up up.
I can't even get $1,500.00 for this car. 1967 post dart that runs and drives.
Stan
I don't know how many actual sales for $47,000 340-4 that were just "nice". I think there were a lot of ebay fake "sold" bids and a very small percentage of inpatient auction bidders that were outliers to the norm.
You are one of those I mentioned in my post that I replied to about your Demons and can't get a response from. Don't expect people to hound you when you don't answer posts about cars or parts you have for sale. If the cars are sold or you changed your mind, at least be decent enough to let those still interested in your wares know what's going on. :angry7:
Are you serial? Like it or not, when you post ANYTHING for sale, people are going to try and get it for a better price. Are you telling me you wouldn't do the same thing? If you're going to sit there and try to tell me that you have never tried to get something for a cheaper price than was listed, then I would HIGHLY doubt your honesty about the condition of the cars and parts you have for sale, let alone anything else you had to say. It's part of this hobby and everyone accepts it and deals with it. Out of curiosity, when did I ever try to get anything you offered for free or for some ridiculous low price? When did I ever ask you to give me one simple thing except an answer to my questions that I posted in your thread? How could I when I couldn't get an answer from you about the cars I showed an interest in in the first place?
Now you're telling people to call or e-mail you to learn more about what you're selling. After your last post, I learned all I needed about what you're offering. As I said, I don't hound sellers. I can easily find the ones serious about selling their cars and parts and those who aren't. I think we know which category you fall into. I've just moved on. Sorry to cause a stink here, but when a guy posts that he can't unload a car on here but doesn't even have the decency or respect for fellow forum members to reply to those asking about the very items he's selling, it just rubs me the wrong way. :angry7:
The market is dead until someone provides proof that cars are actually selling and the money and ownership is actually being transferred.
Most cars ... never change ownership ... check with the owners ...they have the proof...it's in their driveway or in their garages...