318 power!

[B3422w5]

302 is a great head. And with bigger valves can make serious power.
Not sure why anybody is poo- pooing them, they have more potential than x or J heads.

“Chrysler's small-block cylinder head design changed very little until 1987 when the 302 casting (last three digits of the casting number), commonly known as the swirl port, was introduced. While the 302 casting, as well as the later 308 casting, were most commonly found on low-performance 318s, they shouldn't be overlooked for a performance build. Even with small 1.75-inch intake and 1.50-inch exhaust valves, the design of this head's heart-shaped quench-style combustion chamber makes it a good choice for mild to moderate performance. An engine with these heads in stock form will outperform an engine with stock X or J castings simply due to the improved combustion chamber design. Additionally, these heads have hardened valve seats, which make them compatible with unleaded fuel. The swirl port heads were utilized through 1991 (302 casting) and 1992 (308 casting) and respond well to port and bowl work, offering better power potential than all of the earlier small-block heads. Another nice feature of these heads is they utilize valvetrain and intake manifolds common to early small-blocks, so parts are readily available. Simply bolt these heads to your small-block and enjoy the extra power they provide”

 

[rumblefish360]

IF, and only if, you already had some 302 heads

I did and threw them away.

that were done and ready to rock or found some at bargain basement prices

They were free to me.

and the rest of your build was budget oriented and designed around them,

I would never do that.

then sure, i'd run them with the caveats that:

That’s you!

1. i'm not racing,

I rarely… what a bummer…. Even so, on a driver, absolutely an everyday car like any other car on the road today, the 302 head would not make it on top of my engine. If it does yours, OK fine, whatever, IDGAF. Your car your way.

b. i'm not expecting world beating power

Who would?!

and III. i didn't have another option that was basically free.

Great! IMO, free door stops. But if they work for you, then by all means, rock’em!

there's just so many other options that are objectively better that require basically zero specialist work and have the potential to make gobs more power.

I don’t really get that paragraph. But….


OK-whatever, my post was to Dan. Not you. You do you and whatever floats your boat. I’ll not **** on it. Basically, IDGAF what you do with your money, how you build your engine/car. Your car your way, again, IDGAF. It’s all good.

Why you read me a minor riot act is beyond me when I’m speaking to Dan & giving him MY F’n opinion is beyond me. But that’s OK as well. You go have a great ******* day and enjoy it to its maximum potential.

302 is a great head. And with bigger valves can make serious power.
Not sure why anybody is poo- pooing them, they have more potential than x or J heads.

“Chrysler's small-block cylinder head design changed very little until 1987 when the 302 casting (last three digits of the casting number), commonly known as the swirl port, was introduced. While the 302 casting, as well as the later 308 casting, were most commonly found on low-performance 318s, they shouldn't be overlooked for a performance build. Even with small 1.75-inch intake and 1.50-inch exhaust valves, the design of this head's heart-shaped quench-style combustion chamber makes it a good choice for mild to moderate performance. An engine with these heads in stock form will outperform an engine with stock X or J castings simply due to the improved combustion chamber design. Additionally, these heads have hardened valve seats, which make them compatible with unleaded fuel. The swirl port heads were utilized through 1991 (302 casting) and 1992 (308 casting) and respond well to port and bowl work, offering better power potential than all of the earlier small-block heads. Another nice feature of these heads is they utilize valvetrain and intake manifolds common to early small-blocks, so parts are readily available. Simply bolt these heads to your small-block and enjoy the extra power they provide”

Now since you said that…. How much to rebuild them, then port them? Remember, most are laying to have that done. Is it worth it over a Edelbrock head? I don’t think so. But I’m not pooping on the 302/308, I’d rather have the 308. I just see an easier path with an aluminum head for performance at a reasonable price next to rebuilding a stock head and then porting them.

If you want to run them, that’s OK and fine.

If you’re not porting them, building just a driver, same thing, OK fine. I’m d just start with a better head myself. To each their own. I just don’t see porting a 302 head to out flow a X/J, etc. worth it at all. The same work I to a letter head yields far superior results.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

He said that it had a 8.5:1 compression ratio, had nothing to do with my math.

He said that it had a 8.5:1 compression ratio, had nothing to do with my math.

Dan, what I'm saying is the rules allow more compression whatever nominal is. No engine builder is going to give up compression. So I'm saying he isn't running 8.5:1 so your math IS wrong. And I'm in now way calling John a liar. I'm calling him a racer.

 

[junkyardhero]

OK-whatever, my post was to Dan. Not you. You do you and whatever floats your boat. I’ll not **** on it. Basically, IDGAF what you do with your money, how you build your engine/car. Your car your way, again, IDGAF. It’s all good.

Why you read me a minor riot act is beyond me when I’m speaking to Dan & giving him MY F’n opinion is beyond me. But that’s OK as well. You go have a great ******* day and enjoy it to its maximum potential.

i was offering another view point, that's all.

i don't know how you construed that as a minor riot act, but whatever.

my point being is that the 302 is a perfectly cromulent head in specific applications and that, like you, i think there are many other, better options available so it would have to not only be that specific application but also meet that particular criteria. that's all.

and i AM having a GREAT ******* day and totally enjoying it to the maximum potential. i hope you are as well!

 

[Killer6]

Stock 318. Aftermarket pistons but still in the whole? But they are replacing the rods with ones longer to zero deck it? WTF are they thinking. DV polished the beams on that stock rod because he could and it didn't cost anything but time. It will make the rod stronger but it won't increase the performance. He could recondition the rod and add a new set of ARP bolts and it would be good to 400+ HP. Oh, and I didn't know that a larger bore increases compression. WTF

Actually, boring over a lot does increase the squeeze, same chamber+more displacement=higher CR. In fact, the .060" over stock replacements in the K6 were shorter a little bit because the mfrs try to keep that from happening. The mass removed from the rods was more than just a little polish, it was part of rotating & reciprocating weight reduction, & yes w/ARP's more than strong enough.
They have the machines, why aren't they just decking the block? I guess I haven't been following the latest UT debacle since Servedio switched to the 2nd set of heads.
Oh, I have a 360 2bbl intake on My back porch, is that + the large-bore BBD or 2245 Holley verboten as 'Stock' or...?

 

[Dan the man]

Dan, what I'm saying is the rules allow more compression whatever nominal is. No engine builder is going to give up compression. So I'm saying he isn't running 8.5:1 so your math IS wrong. And I'm in now way calling John a liar. I'm calling him a racer.

He is a racer, and a good one at that. I didn't know anything about what the rules allow for compression ratio. I was merely going by what was stated, so that makes my math wrong and I admit that. Didn't mean to stir up a hornet nest, I was just asking a question of which I didn't understand the post. Sorry everyone, it was my bad.

 

[oldkimmer]

He is a racer, and a good one at that. I didn't know anything about what the rules allow for compression ratio. I was merely going by what was stated, so that makes my math wrong and I admit that. Didn't mean to stir up a hornet nest, I was just asking a question of which I didn't understand the post. Sorry everyone, it was my bad.

Dan, these S/SS and SE engines are not a run of the mill engines. They are blueprinted to the nth degree. Just the cost of machine work will make u cringe. Kim

 

[Dan the man]

Dan, these S/SS and SE engines are not a run of the mill engines. They are blueprinted to the nth degree. Just the cost of machine work will make u cringe. Kim

I'm sure that it would.

 

[rumblefish360]

i was offering another view point, that's all.

i don't know how you construed that as a minor riot act, but whatever.

Yea! (While laughing) You quoted me directing the reply to me while bestowing a bunch of virtues and your personal position and bar height to the heads.

my point being is that the 302 is a perfectly cromulent head in specific applications

Yes the one you minted out for your build.

and that, like you, i think there are many other, better options available

But bitched that YOUR build is using the 302 vs what I said not corrected at you. You took up the sword and now your moving the goal post in defense.

so it would have to not only be that specific application but also meet that particular criteria. that's all.

So my reply to Dan doesn’t fit your plan or pocket. So what!! Cry about it else where IDGAF.

and i AM having a GREAT ******* day and totally enjoying it to the maximum potential.

RIGHTEOUS!!!

i hope you are as well!

Minus the normal Lois of physical shape and pains…. LOL

Yea! All is good. Annoyed the heck out of myself for making a video holding the phone the wrong way DUH! On me.

 

[junkyardhero]

i'm truly at a loss in attempting to understand your position. but thank you for line quoting each individual point, it reads much better than a single rambling paragraph. i'll leave it at that.

a handful of ibuprofen and quart of bad vodka will help in the pain department, however you'll never live down taking video in the wrong format, but at least the vodka will help you forget.

 

[rumblefish360]

i'm truly at a loss in attempting to understand your position.

Don’t worry about it then.

but thank you for line quoting each individual point, it reads much better than a single rambling paragraph. i'll leave it at that.

You’re welcome. Was that sarcasm? I don’t care either way.

a handful of ibuprofen and quart of bad vodka will help in the pain department,

LMAO, not even when I was young. That’ll be very bad for me these days.

however you'll never live down taking video in the wrong format, but at least the vodka will help you forget.

Yea… posted one once and got a few people telling me the obvious. I’ll reshoot tomorrow night.

 

[junkyardhero]

Was that sarcasm? I don’t care either way.

absolutely not. i wouldn't do you the disservice on that. i always use the sarcasm font when needed.

 

[rumblefish360]

absolutely not. i wouldn't do you the disservice on that. i always use the sarcasm font when needed.

What! There’s a font for that? Daaaaaaaang! I missed it!

 

[rumblefish360]

 

[Dartswinger70]

Welp Uncle Tony has moved on from MI 318 ...it seems Bottle rocket is all ya get . What's the recipe...? Hughes whiplash cam with closed chamber 273 heads? sumthin liethat...