A cylinder head capable of making 600 hp plus is really a special order piece per the application, expect a wait
and then there's the intake, is it capable
and then there's the intake, is it capable
If it’s a 4-8 week wait to be able to get the heads you really want, in my mind, thats not that big of a deal.
Just need to plan ahead.
Some of these people complain because they will never be players anyhow. What anybody wants is readily available from a number of sources, regards bolt on heads, from 400 to almost 700 horse potential.If it’s a 4-8 week wait to be able to get the heads you really want, in my mind, thats not that big of a deal.
Just need to plan ahead.
I've only heard of them cause you talk about them, What percentage of people out there thinking about buying TF have also heard about Bloomers ? Now I know about them I would consider buying them if I was in the market but if you don't know about them it's a little hard to buy.Anybody I know who has wanted Bloomer heads has had zero issue getting them. It’s not that hard. I had to wait about a month to get mine, setup per my cam specs. You would be surprised how many sets they have sold.
Don’t know how much easier it could possibly be. So yea, the availability is generally excellent.
Just cause Summit doesn’t sell them doesn’t make them any harder to get. How many times has Trick flow not had anything available.
That's where research comes in, I can guarantee you , you ain't building a 600 hp small block without a bunch of research.What percentage of people out there thinking about buying TF have also heard about Bloomers ?
That's where research comes in, I can guarantee you , you ain't building a 600 hp small block without a bunch of research.
And you shouldn't, probably best to find a builder that builds a 600 hp sbm all day long also.That's where research comes in, I can guarantee you , you ain't building a 600 hp small block without a bunch of research.
I bet the majority building an engine probably will never see a track.Exactly, if you are looking to make power, you hang out on forums like this, Moparts, Facebook Mopar related forums, attend Mopar race events, etc, etc.
It’s pretty near impossible to not hear about stuff like this.The fact is, it’s still a limited market. They haven’t made LA engines in over 20 years, maybe 5% of guys with classic era cars actually seriously race them, and if you have been in this thing a while, you get to where you know an awful lot of them, especially smallblock guys who race, there are not a ton of us.
And you shouldn't, probably best to find a builder that builds a 600 hp sbm all day long also.
But a good chunk of people don't, They see TF ad or in a catalogue, online see the price ain't too bad and TF says they can make 500 + hp, out comes credit card and sold. You don't think the same person would buy a step up over TF for a reasonable price also if they had a choice?
How many of the question here are people needing help cause they didn't plan it out too well, or their planning it here but don't want to listen to a more modest build.
Vic Bloomer has been 9.50’s with a 20 over stock stroke 340 and 1.88 valved 596 heads. 67 Barracuda.Jesus, Dan Smith has been making power with a stock modified head for how long now......
Imagine running 9.6's with a factory head.
That's where research comes in, I can guarantee you , you ain't building a 600 hp small block MOPAR without a bunch of research.
Good for Vic! Most here will put a head that flows 250 cfm on an engine and never make 500 HP.Vic Bloomer has been 9.50’s with a 20 over stock stroke 340 and 1.88 valved 596 heads. 67 Barracuda.
I bought a set of Bloomer heads last year. I didn't need this forum to do it at all. If you're serious enough and do your research, you find out really quick what works. And the one thing you don't get out of a mass-produced head is the one on one you have with Rod himself. He asks questions and gives you advice on your build.I've only heard of them cause you talk about them, What percentage of people out there thinking about buying TF have also heard about Bloomers ? Now I know about them I would consider buying them if I was in the market but if you don't know about them it's a little hard to buy.
I don't understand why that concept is hard to get, if the majority don't know about them how are they gonna consider buying them?
It’s wildly humorous that people complaining about the market will never purchase or build the engine themselves for the power level they are complaining about.
100% preach, only an idiot would use Edelbrock TF AFR etc.. that out performed current TF by 50 hp or so, no one would think twice about using a head like that. What a ridiculous idea that was so ashamedI am just trying to figure out where all these average mopar guys are that are wanting to build a 600hp small block lol. If a mopar guy truly wants to build 600hp he isn't on this forum complaining about not having a head that will take stock style bolt on's and make 600hp, he has done his research and is ordering a set of bloomers. I think it would be great to have a few more heads that perform to level of the bloomers but again if the average mopar guy were after 600hp we would have a better version of the w5 as well as still have some version of the mopar race block. You know why that would be?, because there would be enough sales of those pieces to create enough profit that an investor group would have made it happen.
The “average” guy on here has no idea what 450 hp is never mind 600.I am just trying to figure out where all these average mopar guys are that are wanting to build a 600hp small block lol. If a mopar guy truly wants to build 600hp he isn't on this forum complaining about not having a head that will take stock style bolt on's and make 600hp, he has done his research and is ordering a set of bloomers. I think it would be great to have a few more heads that perform to level of the bloomers but again if the average mopar guy were after 600hp we would have a better version of the w5 as well as still have some version of the mopar race block. You know why that would be?, because there would be enough sales of those pieces to create enough profit that an investor group would have made it happen.
100% you hit the nail right on the head, without your genius level reading comprehension skill I would never realized that my argument was that 450 hp plus sbm heads didn't exist, here I thought I was making a whole different argument. Glad you showed up with that amazing brain power you have an explained to me what I meant.The “average” guy on here has no idea what 450 hp is never mind 600.
I only see a few guys wanting to keep there post count up cause they have no clue. They repeat the same thing for pages trying to convince themselves that there is no performance head able to make more then 450 hp
Keep adding to your post count.100% you hit the nail right on the head, without your genius level reading comprehension skill I would never realized that my argument was that 450 hp plus sbm heads didn't exist, here I thought I was making a whole different argument. Glad you showed up with that amazing brain power you have an explained to me what I meant.
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Just an honest 400hp with the right gearing is enough to make the " Average" guy in a 3100 # A-body **** his drawers before the next stop sign. lolThe “average” guy on here has no idea what 450 hp is never mind 600
I’m sure there has been many soiled undergarments from 400-450 hp.Just an honest 400hp with the right gearing is enough to make the " Average" guy in a 3100 # A-body **** his drawers before the next stop sign. lol
450 would be more than a handful for most on the street.
People result to attacking the opposition rather than the argument when they're losing an argument.
When someone attacks the person making an argument instead of addressing the argument itself, this is called an "ad hominem" fallacy.
Just because someone has or hasn't done something doesn't disqualify their arguments. It's entirely possible that someone has researched a considerable amount on a subject and is very knowledgeable. I actually do think 273 falls in this category.
Are there things people learn through experience, which then gives extra qualification? Of course! But it's not the be all end all. Plenty of experienced guys out there spout BS all the time. Plenty of experienced guys out there who think they're some kinda walking god and can say no wrong.
I know which I'd rather listen to.
Plenty of really experienced guys who were extremely proud of their 12s car in the 80s. A lot has changed since then and I'd argue it's in part because you can learn so much more, before the first dollar is spent experimenting and wasting time.