Big horsepower 318 builds

[273]

Back to the subject of 500hp 318's? Unless you're running a stocker or a ci limited class why would you attempt it? 500hp is easy with a 360 block, a 4" crank, decent heads and a easy to live with cam. IMO it would be an all around more fun package to drive too. Plus in the long run it would probably be easier on the pocket book.

I do like to watch high hp short stroke small blocks run but have no interest to build one.

Why does it matter people do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons, why build /6 or 273 or 318 or any small block for that matter why ford guys build 289/302 or chev guys build 283/327 or LS 4.8l/5.3l, why build anything smaller than a 440 since it's readily available and the biggest factory displacement and be able to be built to over 540 cid ?

Why build a 408 when we have 400 and 440 even a overbore 383 is close in displacement and with a 440 crank is bigger than 4" stroked sbm?

The thread is Big horsepower 318 builds

 

[toolmanmike]

Why does it matter people do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons, why build /6 or 273 or 318 or any small block for that matter why ford guys build 289/302 or chev guys build 283/327 why build anything smaller than a 440 since it's readily available and the biggest factory displacement and be able to be built to over 540 cid ?

Why build a 408 when we have 400 and 440 even a overbore 383 is close in displacement and with a 440 crank is bigger than 4" stroked sbm?

The thread is Big horsepower 318 builds

Exactly! it doesn't matter why but why not. And how?

 

[273]

The LS 4.8l and 5.3l is probably the most popular swaps out there, putting out 400-500 hp nobody is like can't be done these are only exotic crazy unstreetable race engines.

The only thing that makes those engine specials like the new Hemi's is the heads flow numbers that before only came with specialty aftermarket heads before those engine were produced. No reason you can't build a 5.2L like a 5.3l LS and have similar results.

 

[PRH]

No reason you can't build a 5.2L like a 5.3l LS and have similar results.

And yet........ it appears that precious few do.

 

[fishmens67]

Oh Gee, where are all the 500 Horse 318's. It's easy ya know.
Come on, post'em up!

 

[justinp61]

Why does it matter people do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons, why build /6 or 273 or 318 or any small block for that matter why ford guys build 289/302 or chev guys build 283/327 or LS 4.8l/5.3l, why build anything smaller than a 440 since it's readily available and the biggest factory displacement and be able to be built to over 540 cid ?

Why build a 408 when we have 400 and 440 even a overbore 383 is close in displacement and with a 440 crank is bigger than 4" stroked sbm?

The thread is Big horsepower 318 builds

I guess I've always wanted to get the most out of my money, that's why I build strokers. To each his own.

Have you ever had an A body with a 440 in it? I have and IMHO a small block makes for a much better combo in one. My small block can hold it's own.

BTW if it's so easy to make Big horsepower with a 318, where are they all at?

 

[toolmanmike]

The LS 4.8l and 5.3l is probably the most popular swaps out there, putting out 400-500 hp nobody is like can't be done these are only exotic crazy unstreetable race engines.

The only thing that makes those engine specials like the new Hemi's is the heads flow numbers that before only came with specialty aftermarket heads before those engine were produced. No reason you can't build a 5.2L like a 5.3l LS and have similar results.

If you peel off the LS heads what you have left is just a short block. Not the same but a 318 block can handle 500 horse easy enough. The LS's are like the Gen 3 Hemi with the cross bolts and the like. Very strong indeed. Yes they can handle 1000 horse.

 

[PRH]

I’ve never built any LS motor(I rarely ever even see the heads)....... but I’d actually like to do one.
It would be a low-ish buck/effort type thing...... just to see what it’s all about really.
I’d do an earlier 6.0(no mds, no vvt), convert it to a carb.
Re-ring, mild head work, and a cam type of thing........ try to keep the LS specific aftermarket parts to a minimum...... cuz a lot of that **** ain’t cheap.

I realize this post doesn’t pertain to high hp 318 builds......... but there doesn’t seem an abundance of those to discuss at the moment........ so this is sorta like “filla”.

 

[273]

BTW if it's so easy to make Big horsepower with a 318, where are they all at?

That's faulty logic, there's tons of different engine capable making power that get over looked all the time, 360 use to be considered a turd and no one would touch them and only build 340 now it's pretty much the other way around, same with 400M ford even dodge 400's etc.. if there's not a factory performance version people don't think it can be done.

No one would touch a BBM 361 here's one with a 3.74 stroke making 618 hp. Similar could of done it with stock stroke if willing to spin it 600-1000 rpms higher.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopar-412-big-block/

Yes 360 is the best choice when building a sbm and probably even better when you add a 4" stroke and so most don't build a 318 over a basic cam headers 4 bbl type combo and probably shouldn't and everyone knows that but I still don't see how you think it's hard to build 500 hp with the parts that are available today.

 

[justinp61]

That's faulty logic, there's tons of different engine capable making power that get over looked all the time, 360 use to be considered a turd and no one would touch them and only build 340 now it's pretty much the other way around, same with 400M ford even dodge 400's etc.. if there's not a factory performance version people don't think it can be done.

No one would touch a BBM 361 here's one with a 3.74 stroke making 618 hp. Similar could of done it with stock stroke if willing to spin it 600-1000 rpms higher.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopar-412-big-block/

Yes 360 is the best choice when building a sbm and probably even better when you add a 4" stroke and so most don't build a 318 over a basic cam headers 4 bbl type combo and probably shouldn't and everyone knows that but I still don't see how you think it's hard to build 500 hp with the parts that are available today.

I don't know how hard a 318 would be to get 500hp out of, I like to take the path of least resistance. A 360 with a 4" crank is easy.

My 340 was .030", 11.4-1, ported Edelbrocks, Weiand X-Cellerator, 750DP, Hughes 236/242° @ .050", .580" ish lift flat hydraulic ran 7.24 @ 94 and change at 3240# on pump 93 shifting at 6400.

If Wallace is close it was around 425HP. So what would it take to get the extra 75HP out of 21 less ci?

Using the 1/4 mile numbers Wallace says the 340 was in the 390-410HP range.

I guess a race motor with plenty of compression on alcohol with a good solid roller would be easier. All my builds are centered around pump gas though.

Again if it's so easy where are they and why aren't more people building them?

 

[yellow rose]

So..... you’re building an engine specifically to use in an engine dyno competition ....... and just throw any old head on it because you have them kicking around.
Yeh, I believe that.

If they didn’t feel those heads were fully up to the job...... they would have used something else.

They coulda/woulda/shoulda used other heads..... blah blah blah.
The bottom line is...... the heads they actually used would have had a ton of work done to them, and would have flowed very very well for their port cross section and runner volume(ss rules).

Imo, they would have had a pretty high impact on that overall package, and that just replacing them with some typical ported EQ Head would have almost certainly resulted in less power on that particular combo.
I feel they were a key component of the success of that package.

The person the engine builder contacted about heads was Randy Malik, who has been entering those EM contests since the beginning, often doing pretty well.
So, I’d expect him to have a good handle on what it would take for cylinder heads on the 318 build to be competitive.
I doubt he would have recommended that particular pair of heads unless he felt they would have been a good fit with the rest of the combo.

Jesus, you yourself said the heads like that would be UBER expensive.

So now you want me to think that you’d tell a customer to spend Super Stock money for cast iron heads when a decent prepped Edelbrock head would do at LEAST that good for way less than half the cost.

But, nooooo, you’d tell them that’s what you need. Hell, you could do a valve job to a W2 head and it would at LEAST make the power of the heads used in the article.


Unreal.

 

[yellow rose]

Who mentioned any dyno numbers you posted? I've never seen you post a dyno sheet, same with time slips.

A monkey should be able to tune a leaf spring chassis to run mid 10's. It's just not that hard.

So you don't think time slips are of any value? You don't think the mph indicates anything? Last weekend I made three passes, three very different passes. Pass #1 the car felt like it was hooking and unloading, it did this about four or five times before it settled down. I tightened the rebound two clicks on the front shocks before pass #2. On pass 2 I decided to use the trans brake. When I applied the brake and came up on the two step the car bumped forward and red light, then blew the tires off on the hit, I peddled it twice before it hooked up. For pass #3 I tightened the rebound two clicks on the rear. Foot braking to 2k like pass 1, the car left straight and smooth and made a clean pass.

There was a big variance in the 60' and et between the three passes but it ran anywhere from 108.13 to 108.42 mph for the three. So if you were looking at the time slips would they tell you?

How about you grow up first and if I like what I see I'll give it a try.

Who mentioned any dyno numbers you posted? I've never seen you post a dyno sheet, same with time slips.

A monkey should be able to tune a leaf spring chassis to run mid 10's. It's just not that hard.

So you don't think time slips are of any value? You don't think the mph indicates anything? Last weekend I made three passes, three very different passes. Pass #1 the car felt like it was hooking and unloading, it did this about four or five times before it settled down. I tightened the rebound two clicks on the front shocks before pass #2. On pass 2 I decided to use the trans brake. When I applied the brake and came up on the two step the car bumped forward and red light, then blew the tires off on the hit, I peddled it twice before it hooked up. For pass #3 I tightened the rebound two clicks on the rear. Foot braking to 2k like pass 1, the car left straight and smooth and made a clean pass.

There was a big variance in the 60' and et between the three passes but it ran anywhere from 108.13 to 108.42 mph for the three. So if you were looking at the time slips would they tell you?

How about you grow up first and if I like what I see I'll give it a try.

Let me say this again, for the umpteenth time.

The time slips, the chassis tune up book and some other **** I had on the car went WITH THE CAR when I sold it.

I didn’t know a dickhead like you would snivel like a ***** about a piece of paper.

Again, for the umpteenth time, the dyno sheets went with the LAST SET OF HEADS and the SHORT BLOCK that went with them, along with the tune up book, including all the mad info, the injection paperwork and all that went with it, and the last two sets of flow numbers for THOSE heads and intake.

I had some dyno sheets for the W2 tunnel ram engine, and when the dude bought that short block and the Pro Dominator intake, he got those, along with all the port measurements, seat angles, valve info that I had for those heads.

When I sold my flow bench, every single flow sheet, all the other data I recorded ALL went with the bench, and he paid his *** off for it.

So there you have it. You are sniveling like a little *****, about an engine dyno that hasn’t happened yet, and want dyno sheets and time slips from **** that was gone by 2007.


Grow up.

 

[yellow rose]

I don't know how hard a 318 would be to get 500hp out of, I like to take the path of least resistance. A 360 with a 4" crank is easy.

My 340 was .030", 11.4-1, ported Edelbrocks, Weiand X-Cellerator, 750DP, Hughes 236/242° @ .050", .580" ish lift flat hydraulic ran 7.24 @ 94 and change at 3240# on pump 93 shifting at 6400.

If Wallace is close it was around 425HP. So what would it take to get the extra 75HP out of 21 less ci?

Using the 1/4 mile numbers Wallace says the 340 was in the 390-410HP range.

I guess a race motor with plenty of compression on alcohol with a good solid roller would be easier. All my builds are centered around pump gas though.

Again if it's so easy where are they and why aren't more people building them?

Right, path of least resistance. Don’t think. Don’t learn. Be a stooge like the rest.


Now it’s all making sense.

 

[toolmanmike]

Let me say this again, for the umpteenth time.

The time slips, the chassis tune up book and some other **** I had on the car went WITH THE CAR when I sold it.

I didn’t know a dickhead like you would snivel like a ***** about a piece of paper.

Again, for the umpteenth time, the dyno sheets went with the LAST SET OF HEADS and the SHORT BLOCK that went with them, along with the tune up book, including all the mad info, the injection paperwork and all that went with it, and the last two sets of flow numbers for THOSE heads and intake.

I had some dyno sheets for the W2 tunnel ram engine, and when the dude bought that short block and the Pro Dominator intake, he got those, along with all the port measurements, seat angles, valve info that I had for those heads.

When I sold my flow bench, every single flow sheet, all the other data I recorded ALL went with the bench, and he paid his *** off for it.

So there you have it. You are sniveling like a little *****, about an engine dyno that hasn’t happened yet, and want dyno sheets and time slips from **** that was gone by 2007.


Grow up.

And that doesn't matter that you don't have the paperwork. A dyno sheet doesn't tell the whole story. After it's dynoed and put in a car, there are a thousand things that can effect the et and MPH for the Wallace Calculator to deal with. That's not the answer all either (although it seems to get close if your car is set up right)

 

[fishmens67]

Does anyone have any information or can point me in the direction of Jim Laroy's mid 400 hp 292

 

[toolmanmike]

Does anyone have any information or can point me in the direction of Jim Laroy's mid 400 hp 292

???

 

[fishmens67]

???

I was wondering the RPM range of the HP #'s.

 

[justinp61]

Let me say this again, for the umpteenth time.

The time slips, the chassis tune up book and some other **** I had on the car went WITH THE CAR when I sold it.

I didn’t know a dickhead like you would snivel like a ***** about a piece of paper.

Again, for the umpteenth time, the dyno sheets went with the LAST SET OF HEADS and the SHORT BLOCK that went with them, along with the tune up book, including all the mad info, the injection paperwork and all that went with it, and the last two sets of flow numbers for THOSE heads and intake.

I had some dyno sheets for the W2 tunnel ram engine, and when the dude bought that short block and the Pro Dominator intake, he got those, along with all the port measurements, seat angles, valve info that I had for those heads.

When I sold my flow bench, every single flow sheet, all the other data I recorded ALL went with the bench, and he paid his *** off for it.

So there you have it. You are sniveling like a little *****, about an engine dyno that hasn’t happened yet, and want dyno sheets and time slips from **** that was gone by 2007.


Grow up.

First off, where in this post did I ask you to post dyno sheets. No one here cares what you sold or what went with it. It's really sad you have to show your *** every time someone has a different view or opinion than you and they automatically are a dumb *** or a dick head. Smoke and mirrors with a healthy dose of bull ****.

Right, path of least resistance. Don’t think. Don’t learn. Be a stooge like the rest.


Now it’s all making sense.

Yes it all makes sense now, you're the best keyboard engine builder on the internet.

BTW, Do you take medication for your narcissism? I'm sure there is treatment out there for it, but you're probably already smarter than the people who specialize in the field.

 

[j par]

Let me say this again, for the umpteenth time.

The time slips, the chassis tune up book and some other **** I had on the car went WITH THE CAR when I sold it.

I didn’t know a dickhead like you would snivel like a ***** about a piece of paper.

Again, for the umpteenth time, the dyno sheets went with the LAST SET OF HEADS and the SHORT BLOCK that went with them, along with the tune up book, including all the mad info, the injection paperwork and all that went with it, and the last two sets of flow numbers for THOSE heads and intake.

I had some dyno sheets for the W2 tunnel ram engine, and when the dude bought that short block and the Pro Dominator intake, he got those, along with all the port measurements, seat angles, valve info that I had for those heads.

When I sold my flow bench, every single flow sheet, all the other data I recorded ALL went with the bench, and he paid his *** off for it.

So there you have it. You are sniveling like a little *****, about an engine dyno that hasn’t happened yet, and want dyno sheets and time slips from **** that was gone by 2007.


Grow up.

Really all the internet name-calling dude seriously?...
If someone did W2 heads wouldn't they have to have a w2 intake and w2 exhaust and all the accompanying gaskets?..
Would seem to get a little expensive to put on a 318 to make a point.?..

 

[justinp61]

For the engine builders out there. For the sake of discussion lets say I wanted to take on building a 500HP 318. Using my ported Edelbrock heads, 55cc chambers, they flowed 293 @ .600" with a 2.02" intake but now have 2.055" intakes. Nothing special but they will easily support 500 hp.

Building it like I would any other engine, a good rod, probably custom pistons with low tension metric rings, necessary oiling mods and good bearings and roller rockers. Either my Victor or the Weiand X-Cellerator with a 950HP.

Flat solid or solid roller? Duration and lift? How much compression? Where would the peak torque and HP be (rpm's)? Lets say this is a street/strip deal that will run on pump 93 at least and at most a mix of 110 UL and 93.

Dwayne please weigh in. Also guys that have engine programs, build it and post what you found. I know their accuracy is questionable but this is just for fun discussion.

 

[yellow rose]

First off, where in this post did I ask you to post dyno sheets. No one here cares what you sold or what went with it. It's really sad you have to show your *** every time someone has a different view or opinion than you and they automatically are a dumb *** or a dick head. Smoke and mirrors with a healthy dose of bull ****.



Yes it all makes sense now, you're the best keyboard engine builder on the internet.

BTW, Do you take medication for your narcissism? I'm sure there is treatment out there for it, but you're probably already smarter than the people who specialize in the field.

You run your mouth, but you don’t know ****. If you can’t build 500 HP out of a 318 that’s just ignorant.

Of course, you can’t do it, would know how, wouldn't know where to start, but your 500 HP mouth runs like a sewer.

 

[j par]

You run your mouth, but you don’t know ****. If you can’t build 500 HP out of a 318 that’s just ignorant.

Of course, you can’t do it, would know how, wouldn't know where to start, but your 500 HP mouth runs like a sewer.

YR as a casual observer of what's going on here it seems to be you with the sewer mouth just name calling at this point...

 

[yellow rose]

Really all the internet name-calling dude seriously?...
If someone did W2 heads wouldn't they have to have a w2 intake and w2 exhaust and all the accompanying gaskets?..
Would seem to get a little expensive to put on a 318 to make a point.?..

Pay attention. I gave OPTIONS. A chink head is one. An Edelbrock is another. Either one of those junk heads will make 500 HP rather easily and you can use a Stock intake and headers.


If you really want to do it easy get a set of W2 heads. This isn’t hard, why are you trying to make it hard, and play yourself the engine builder?

500 horsepower was meh 20 years ago with the heads we had then. For a 23 degree chevy head. It was stupid easy.

You don’t need anything exotic to do 500 HP.

Really, some of you need to figure it out. This **** ain’t hard.

 

[yellow rose]

YR as a casual observer of what's going on here it seems to be you with the sewer mouth just name calling at this point...

I call them like I see them. When YOU build something at my level, let me know. You are here stirring the pot, yet you don’t have a CLUE as to what you’re talking about.

JustinP ran his mouth and I didn't let him run me over. He has crawfished all day long about what he said, what he didn’t say, how he said it and I say PISS on him. Who is he? Another keyboard mouth.


When you can add something of value, let me know.

 

[j par]

Pay attention. I gave OPTIONS. A chink head is one. An Edelbrock is another. Either one of those junk heads will make 500 HP rather easily and you can use a Stock intake and headers.


If you really want to do it easy get a set of W2 heads. This isn’t hard, why are you trying to make it hard, and play yourself the engine builder?

500 horsepower was meh 20 years ago with the heads we had then. For a 23 degree chevy head. It was stupid easy.

You don’t need anything exotic to do 500 HP.

Really, some of you need to figure it out. This **** ain’t hard.

you're coming across pretty angry it almost seems as if you need a Snickers bar or something? have you had dinner yet? are you hungry? did your wife put you on a diet or something? LOL I think I need to get you a cheeseburger...