Cam for a 318

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Your one of the first I've heard building a 318 with some decent pistons here in a while. Let's see what a 318 can do with better than 8:1! I'd not bother with SM heads with a dinky cam. I think it (2.02) was rated only +20hp on the top end of a 340 and that was a 1.88 340 with a stockish cam
 
Pistons are advertised at being 0.012 below the surface, so wouldn't a 0.012" cut do it? I'm buying the heads bare, wouldn't the value seats be uncut for a valve size?


Never trust advertising. How do they know how tall your decks are? They don’t. That is their guess. And their assumption that your deck is nominally where it should be.
 
Are the 2.02 valve's to big for a 318? I don't want a valve to kill off the bottom end. I'm building my engine for throttle response and low to midrange torque and power


Valve size has nothing to do with bottom end or anything else. Clear your mind of “bottom end” because if you don’t you’ll end up with something you don’t want. Cam timing is critical. As worried as you are, I would never suggest an off the shelf cam. You can miss on the heads, miss on the manifold and carb and still be ok, but miss on cam timing and you’ll know it.
 
Pistons are advertised at being 0.012 below the surface, so wouldn't a 0.012" cut do it? I'm buying the heads bare, wouldn't the value seats be uncut for a valve size?

That depends, deck heights can vary from factory and these engines are old and have likeley been opened up and messed with before.
My 318 was a worn 0.040" so I went with +0.060" KB167s, decks were skimmed 0.005" to clean them up and I ended up with the pistons 0.015" ABOVE deck.
Pull the engine down and measure everything before you order your parts for the rebuild.
Sure would suck to assume a std bore and nominal deck height and order +20 KBs to find that it's already +30 and the decks heavily milled wouldn't it? $$$ Down the drain....
You could well find that if it's been opened up and decked before the speed pro hypers at 1.755" compression height might get you close enough for less money - but you won't know until you measure.
The speedmaster bare heads already have seats cut for 2.02/1.6 valves, as I mentioned in your other thread if your chasing port velocity theres no point trying to stuff a smaller valve in with those big runners, Iron 360 heads with 1.88 valve if your set on this (or even reworked 318 heads).
There's many options for cams and you have already had a few good suggestions on this, what heads you run will play a part in selection. Aftermarket alloys flow well at higher lifts so if you go with these look for higher lift cams to get the most out of the heads (higher lift with similar duration to what you would consider with iron heads).
Before I pulled it down I ran a little comp XE250H cam and ported 318 truck heads, headers, 625cfm Carter afb on a weiand action plus manifold and it worked well (not fast but definitely more grunt than a stocker). fell on it's face around 5000rpm but nice up until that point.
 
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Never trust advertising. How do they know how tall your decks are? They don’t. That is their guess. And their assumption that your deck is nominally where it should be.

Beat me too it, damn slow typing and proof reading
 
That depends, deck heights can vary from factory and these engines are old and have likeley been opened up and messed with before.
My 318 was a worn 0.040" so I went with +0.060" KB167s, decks were skimmed 0.005" to clean them up and I ended up with the pistons 0.015" ABOVE deck.
Pull the engine down and measure everything before you order your parts for the rebuild.
Sure would suck to assume a std bore and nominal deck height and order +20 KBs to find that it's already +30 and the decks heavily milled wouldn't it? $$$ Down the drain....
You could well find that if it's been opened up and decked before the speed pro hypers at 1.755" compression height might get you close enough for less money - but you won't know until you measure.
The speedmaster bare heads already have seats cut for 2.02/1.6 valves, as I mentioned in your other thread if your chasing port velocity theres no point trying to stuff a smaller valve in with those big runners, Iron 360 heads with 1.88 valve if your set on this (or even reworked 318 heads).
There's many options for cams and you have already had a few good suggestions on this, what heads you run will play a part in selection. Aftermarket alloys flow well at higher lifts so if you go with these look for higher lift cams to get the most out of the heads (higher lift with similar duration to what you would consider with iron heads).
Before I pulled it down I ran a little comp XE250H cam and ported 318 truck heads, headers, 625cfm Carter afb on a weiand action plus manifold and it worked well (not fast but definitely more grunt than a stocker). fell on it's face around 5000rpm but nice up until that point.
The block will be checked out before any parts are bought.
 
That depends, deck heights can vary from factory and these engines are old and have likeley been opened up and messed with before.
My 318 was a worn 0.040" so I went with +0.060" KB167s, decks were skimmed 0.005" to clean them up and I ended up with the pistons 0.015" ABOVE deck.
Pull the engine down and measure everything before you order your parts for the rebuild.
Sure would suck to assume a std bore and nominal deck height and order +20 KBs to find that it's already +30 and the decks heavily milled wouldn't it? $$$ Down the drain....
You could well find that if it's been opened up and decked before the speed pro hypers at 1.755" compression height might get you close enough for less money - but you won't know until you measure.
The speedmaster bare heads already have seats cut for 2.02/1.6 valves, as I mentioned in your other thread if your chasing port velocity theres no point trying to stuff a smaller valve in with those big runners, Iron 360 heads with 1.88 valve if your set on this (or even reworked 318 heads).
There's many options for cams and you have already had a few good suggestions on this, what heads you run will play a part in selection. Aftermarket alloys flow well at higher lifts so if you go with these look for higher lift cams to get the most out of the heads (higher lift with similar duration to what you would consider with iron heads).
Before I pulled it down I ran a little comp XE250H cam and ported 318 truck heads, headers, 625cfm Carter afb on a weiand action plus manifold and it worked well (not fast but definitely more grunt than a stocker). fell on it's face around 5000rpm but nice up until that point.
If the block has already been bored and it needs a rebore, I'm going to get a different block as I don't want a 0.060 over engine I believe in only boring enough to clean up the bore,if a 0.020 over will do it then that's what I'll do
 
If the block has already been bored and it needs a rebore, I'm going to get a different block as I don't want a 0.060 over engine I believe in only boring enough to clean up the bore,if a 0.020 over will do it then that's what I'll do
I'm not telling you to bore it 60 over, smallest bore size you can get away with is always a good idea.
In my case I had the block sonic checked and it had adequate bore thickness at +60 so I went with that, I couldn't find off the shelf pistons at +50 and wasn't getting custom pistons made for a mild build.
In Australia these engines are no where near as plentiful as in the US so to get the most out of the block before it is scrap metal I will bore them to +60 if the block can take it.
 
If the block has already been bored and it needs a rebore, I'm going to get a different block as I don't want a 0.060 over engine I believe in only boring enough to clean up the bore,if a 0.020 over will do it then that's what I'll do


For the power level you want I would use a .060 overbore if I had to. The difference between a .020 overbore and a .060 overbore is .040 and you take half of that per side. That’s .020. If .020 is going to kill the block it wasn’t worth building the block at any overbore.
 
Are the 2.02 valve's to big for a 318? I don't want a valve to kill off the bottom end. I'm building my engine for throttle response and low to midrange torque and power

no, not too big. The port size is more important. I.e. consider a stock RB port vs. a max wedge port and then valve sizes.
 
For the 318, would the lunati 701 be a good choice for what I'm wanting to do or the 700? I used a compression ratio calculator put in all the required information and it said that I would have a 9.40:1 CR. Is that a good compression ratio for either 1 of those cams? I don't want to have to back off the ignition timing because the cam isn't matched to the cam.

I have the 701 in my 318.
Eddy Performer
600 cfm carb
It was decent, but I wished that I'd have gone with the 702 at the time.

Detonated my 7 1/4 pegleg with 2.76 gears if I remember right within two years.

With my 4.10 gears, that cam is pure ***, and needs a 703 and more compression at a minimum.
 
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