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RustyRatRod said:
Very nice. Now, what does he do to correct for rocker shaft location? I would suspect since that's kinda combination dependent, that's left to the end user?
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Yes, he didn’t have my rocker gear when he set up my springs then I met him to get the heads from him.
I run standard Harland Sharp 1.5 stuff on mine.
The engine builder, said it wasn’t perfect, but close enough. No mods to anything.
Buddy of mine who Rod mentioned in the original post in this thread I don’t think has shimmed or moved anything either.
My heads have been on little more than two seasons now, zero valvetrain issues.
 
B3422w5 said:
It’s a 200cc head. No reason a stock stroke 340/360 wouldn’t work perfectly fine with these heads.
Guys have run W2/W5 stuff on stock stroke motors. Remember when those heads were developed, that’s what most everybody ran was stock stroke stuff, until the advent of 3.79 cranks.
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Yep had no idea on the head specs. Really still don't know too much but they sound good.
 
RustyRatRod said:
Very nice. Now, what does he do to correct for rocker shaft location? I would suspect since that's kinda combination dependent, that's left to the end user?
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I put a 060 shim under my rocker arm shaft. I use the Hughes 1.6 rocker arms. Mine was almost perfect as it was. But with the shim it's perfect now.
 
BPE said:
I know it’s been a while but, things sometimes take waaaaay longer than expected and I didn’t want to show back up without real world results. I feel like the flow numbers thing is an issue that I get questions about all the time so, let me explain my side of things. And, please understand, I’m not trying to step on anyone’s toes or shame anyone else for where they’re at with their program. If manufacturers or someone else claims big flow numbers without actual track results or telling the combination, wouldn’t you be a little skeptical???? I would like to think that we all know flow numbers are relative to the bench. I understand the idea of buying something and feeling good about the money spent and then being disappointed in the outcome (I’ve been there) I’m no different than any of you when it come to that. Some of you may know the previous issues (1set) that I sold to a member here and it wasn’t up to my expectations. When that happened. I made no bones about making it right and pushing forward with something better. Since then, we’ve spent a lot of time on R&D and back and forth. I now feel more than confident to tell people about our updated program. My brother (Vic) and myself have worked together on this and are just trying to bring something better to the small block Mopar community. We both have 40+ hour regular jobs but,have always been into the idea of making SBM’s run. Anyway, enough about that, how about some actual back to back comparisons… This is a direct comparison between a Trickflow 190 cnc head and ours. The only difference was that I convinced the owner to not mill the heads to 60 cc’s because it wasn’t needed to pick the car up. After some discussion he settled on 65 cc’s based on what I already knew about both heads. He ended up with 3/4 of a point less compression (previously12.36 now 11.66) .This is a 422” run of the mill street/strip car that weighs 2985 lbs and uses a flat tappet Hughes 264°/268° @ .050” cam, victor 340 intake and a 4150 carb. With a small converter adjustment I think the et will get even better. The car picked up over 3 tenths but, the real story is where it matters and that would be the 5 mph increase. Weight of the car and mph are real indications of horsepower, not flow numbers!! I truly believe that we have the best standard port SBM head out there. This isn’t an anomaly, We have other cars out there that have shown to be pretty sporty as well and I will post them as time allows. View attachment 1716317509View attachment 1716317510
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Good to hear news from you guys Rod, nice work!
 
I’m actually quite shocked there are not more people here inquiring about these heads to the very man that is building them. I mean, mopar small block guys complain all the time about not having enough race level cylinder head stuff to choose from, yet here we are. I just finished a W2 small block and have no plans to build another anytime soon, but if I was I’d be takin notes and asking a bunch of questions.
 
Rod, has anyone used a set of these heads on turbo/supercharged stuff yet?
 
TT5.9mag said:
I’m actually quite shocked there are not more people here inquiring about these heads to the very man that is building them. I mean, mopar small block guys complain all the time about not having enough race level cylinder head stuff to choose from, yet here we are. I just finished a W2 small block and have no plans to build another anytime soon, but if I was I’d be takin notes and asking a bunch of questions.
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I think the main issue is supply. These guys are doing this as a after work type deal, it's not a production type deal. And I would SERIOUSLY doubt they are on the same level as a W2
 
replicaracer43 said:
I think the main issue is supply. These guys are doing this as an after work type deal, it's not a production type deal. And I would SERIOUSLY doubt they are on the same level as a W2
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Yea, I tend to agree. I do hope they sell enough of them to make their investment worth it, I like seeing mopar options come to market. And like I said if I was building another one I’d be inquiring.
 
TT5.9mag said:
I’m actually quite shocked there are not more people here inquiring about these heads to the very man that is building them. I mean, mopar small block guys complain all the time about not having enough race level cylinder head stuff to choose from, yet here we are. I just finished a W2 small block and have no plans to build another anytime soon, but if I was I’d be takin notes and asking a bunch of questions.
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Mopar guys are also a bunch of cheap bastids. Unlike them, I ain't cheap. I'm broke. Plus, they don't offer a slant 6 head. So there's that.
 
replicaracer43 said:
I think the main issue is supply. These guys are doing this as a after work type deal, it's not a production type deal. And I would SERIOUSLY doubt they are on the same level as a W2
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You could be right. I'm glad they're doin it at all, even though I'll never use their product. It's great for the Mopar hobby.
 
I still haven't convinced myself not to buy them. I am going racing this weekend for the last time this year. If I can find someone local to buy my trickflow's I will inquire about purchasing them.
 
replicaracer43 said:
I think the main issue is supply. These guys are doing this as a after work type deal, it's not a production type deal. And I would SERIOUSLY doubt they are on the same level as a W2
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All the work is behind them now. Years worth.
The bare castings are being run in groups at BES through the CNC program. The valve jobs as well.
The only thing they have to touch is the spring setup for each customer.
As far as production, if anything, they are capable of cranking out more heads than probably the market will demand. I know they currently have 8 sets in inventory. So supply isn’t an issue at all. They can make more.
Regards W2 stuff. I think these are better. And maybe only marginally less upside than a W5 head.
Interestingly, for one season( before I broke the cast stroker crank) I ran my W5 heads on a flattop short block with a flat tappet cam very similar to what I currently have. Both 260@50, W5 cam had a bit more lift.
Both ran/ run almost identically. Cars weighed within 20 pounds of each other.
Fast forward, I ultimately went to a full bore X block 273@50 700 lift roller, dominator, 13.5 compression, etc, etc, etc deal. Light rings, pretty trick deal.
That motor ultimately went 9.50’s at 140.Not bragging, but not many W5 deals have run much if any better.
If you look at what Vic Terry has already done with his Bloomer heads, ( quite a bit faster and quicker with way less compression) but admittedly lighter, they arent very far behind the W5 stuff at all. And his camshaft is a good bit smaller.
I have yet to see W2 bracket stuff that can hang. So, based or personal experience, I think this new head slots somewhere in between those two heads. And the casting quality/reliability/ cracking worries is miles better.than either, obviously.
Not to mention header availability, intakes, etc. all easily available with many choices.
 
replicaracer43 said:
I think the main issue is supply. These guys are doing this as a after work type deal, it's not a production type deal. And I would SERIOUSLY doubt they are on the same level as a W2
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W2 heads are great heads and like you said they are plentiful. With the Bloomer heads we are making a honest 680 hp with only 11.2 to 1 compression. They say that a full point of compression is worth 15-20 hp. So with a full 14.5 to 1 compression 725 hp is possible and porting the intake might be worth another 5 hp or so. I think with a maxxed out Bloomer headed engine that you could make between 730 and 750 hp. And that's inline with the best W2 engine I've ever seen. That's about the same hp that the SBM prostock W2 engines were making back in the day. Intake , rocker arm and header selection is better on the Bloomer heads as well. I'm tickled to death with the performance of my Bloomer heads. And the car is almost 2 tenths quicker than I ever thought it'd be.
 
tvt59 said:
W2 heads are great heads and like you said they are plentiful. With the Bloomer heads we are making a honest 680 hp with only 11.2 to 1 compression. They say that a full point of compression is worth 15-20 hp. So with a full 14.5 to 1 compression 725 hp is possible and porting the intake might be worth another 5 hp or so. I think with a maxxed out Bloomer headed engine that you could make between 730 and 750 hp. And that's inline with the best W2 engine I've ever seen. That's about the same hp that the SBM prostock W2 engines were making back in the day. Intake , rocker arm and header selection is better on the Bloomer heads as well. I'm tickled to death with the performance of my Bloomer heads. And the car is almost 2 tenths quicker than I ever thought it'd be.
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I cant argue with your results, they are quite impressive. He has a goldmine if he can supply them.
 
tvt59 said:
W2 heads are great heads and like you said they are plentiful. With the Bloomer heads we are making a honest 680 hp with only 11.2 to 1 compression. They say that a full point of compression is worth 15-20 hp. So with a full 14.5 to 1 compression 725 hp is possible and porting the intake might be worth another 5 hp or so. I think with a maxxed out Bloomer headed engine that you could make between 730 and 750 hp. And that's inline with the best W2 engine I've ever seen. That's about the same hp that the SBM prostock W2 engines were making back in the day. Intake , rocker arm and header selection is better on the Bloomer heads as well. I'm tickled to death with the performance of my Bloomer heads. And the car is almost 2 tenths quicker than I ever thought it'd be.
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It might have been asked before but what head does he use?
 
Thank you all for the kind words. With that being said, I want to make sure people understand who I am and what I'm about. First off, the work is not behind us, not even close. I personally go through every set of heads, from inspection, to taking measurements, checking and setting up valve springs to even making the templates and putting the logo on the heads. Hell, Vic still checks and backcuts valves for me. I'm at my day job (25 years and counting) for at least 9 hours a day and Vic is at his close to 11-12 and honestly I don't want to spend every free minute I have setting up heads or being on the phone. I know from past experiences, for every 10 people I speak with 8 of them will never buy anything. And, don't get me wrong, I want to help people achieve their goals and see them succeed with their program but, I can't spend every waking moment doing just this. Our goal when we started was not to turn this into some big operation but, to make something that's better than what's currently available even if on a limited basis. Second, 100% of this effort has been paid for and will continue to be out of my pocket, not backed up by a financial institution. I purchase castings when I can and have them machined when I can. It's really that simple. I / we do this because we were interested in SBM engines from the time we were teenagers and just wanted something better. As far as being better than a W2 head I will say this, any cylinder head not properly done will underperform. I'm sure there are plenty of W2 engines out there that run really well and they should. They have several advantages over what we're working with here and have completely different architecture. Not to mention, people have been working with them since what 1977? In closing, I know my heads aren't the cheapest things going and never will be. But, if you really want to support the "Little Guys" and actually get the performance you paid for. I might just have what you need.

Thank you,
Rod
 
Very well spoken rod if i was looking at switching platforms id diffentley buy your cylinder heads a great head for sure
 
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BPE said:
Thank you all for the kind words. With that being said, I want to make sure people understand who I am and what I'm about. First off, the work is not behind us, not even close. I personally go through every set of heads, from inspection, to taking measurements, checking and setting up valve springs to even making the templates and putting the logo on the heads. Hell, Vic still checks and backcuts valves for me. I'm at my day job (25 years and counting) for at least 9 hours a day and Vic is at his close to 11-12 and honestly I don't want to spend every free minute I have setting up heads or being on the phone. I know from past experiences, for every 10 people I speak with 8 of them will never buy anything. And, don't get me wrong, I want to help people achieve their goals and see them succeed with their program but, I can't spend every waking moment doing just this. Our goal when we started was not to turn this into some big operation but, to make something that's better than what's currently available even if on a limited basis. Second, 100% of this effort has been paid for and will continue to be out of my pocket, not backed up by a financial institution. I purchase castings when I can and have them machined when I can. It's really that simple. I / we do this because we were interested in SBM engines from the time we were teenagers and just wanted something better. As far as being better than a W2 head I will say this, any cylinder head not properly done will underperform. I'm sure there are plenty of W2 engines out there that run really well and they should. They have several advantages over what we're working with here and have completely different architecture. Not to mention, people have been working with them since what 1977? In closing, I know my heads aren't the cheapest things going and never will be. But, if you really want to support the "Little Guys" and actually get the performance you paid for. I might just have what you need.

Thank you,
Rod
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Rod, I am not a Social Media person and I don't do Facebook. How can I order a set of your Heads? Can you put your Business Contact Information here for all of us to see? Thanks, Randy
 
B1Dartsport said:
Rod, I am not a Social Media person and I don't do Facebook. How can I order a set of your Heads? Can you put your Business Contact Information here for all of us to see? Thanks, Randy
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No, but he can start a sale thread if he wants to sell some modified heads or his services.
 
They are faster than my trick 906 heads that were done by a top porter (UK).
452 cubes and 10.40 @ 133.

No one was running tens with a small-block back 25 years ago.
Things have changed, for the better I may add... :thumbsup:
 
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