Demon and Dart Sport Scoop Location

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Is this not the same scoop used on the Challenger T/A 's or is it only like the T/A scoops.
 
Like this:

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If you ordered the J54 performance hood for '72, was that the dual snorkel scoop along with the sizzler type hood graphic or was that another code?
 
cliff guinand said:
If you ordered the J54 performance hood for '72, was that the dual snorkel scoop along with the sizzler type hood graphic or was that another code?
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the fendertag would have j54 for scoop and show v21 for hood blackout. you could not have the scoop on a demon without the hood blackout, or the blackout without the scoop though, as this was a package. so yes you are correct
 
Good info!
My '70 Swinger 340 had the V21 option and I have not been able to find a pic of it.
And when I bought (and Sold) the car it was completley spray bombed flat black.
So it is the same as the '72 Sizzler or different in 1970?
Let us know please 7demon2.
Later,
Bruce B.
 
no for a 70 dart it would have just have had the blacked out hood. the sizzler style stripes were used for the 71 sizzler demons and 72 demons , and special 72 340 darts.
 
7demon2, just wondering if you know for sure that the '72 Swinger 340 Specials received the stripes because of the 7 found, they all had the hood in body colour with the scoop in black - including mine. Now, only 5 of them were found with hoods - the other 2 were saved from the junk yard, thus, they were pretty much stripped. My fender tag doesn't have the J54 code stamped on it but from the couple original owners cars, when they bought them, they all had the single snorkel scoops so there's a good possibility they were dealer installed. But with that said, the fresh air holes in the hoods were factory - hmmm, yet another twist/question – gotta' love it...
 
cliff guinand said:
7demon2, just wondering if you know for sure that the '72 Swinger 340 Specials received the stripes because of the 7 found, they all had the hood in body colour with the scoop in black - including mine. Now, only 5 of them were found with hoods - the other 2 were saved from the junk yard, thus, they were pretty much stripped. My fender tag doesn't have the J54 code stamped on it but from the couple original owners cars, when they bought them, they all had the single snorkel scoops so there's a good possibility they were dealer installed. But with that said, the fresh air holes in the hoods were factory - hmmm, yet another twist/question – gotta' love it...
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from what i know of it, (data is real sketchy) the 72 340 swingers had the stripes, but it again could have been an option . the scoops i do belive were factory installed. it would make sense that all of this got put on at the factory as they had all the parts there as the demons were still rolling off the line as well. also the 71 340's were planned out alittle better as they were a show of thanks to a couple of dealers. the 72 340's were to make some left out dealers happy that thought they should have been in on the 71 340 deal. remember these cars "don't exist" in the real world. the ones made were sold at select dealers as you know to lucky buyers. some day more information will surface to help inform all of us until then, well........come on canadians where is the info eh? lol :-D
 
I have to agree with you on the factory installing the hood scoop because they were essentially Demon hoods - just without the stripes – maybe, just aren't enough examples ((5 found of the possible 65)) to make a 'call', so yeah, come on Canadians, if you know of one or knew of one, please post it. Oh, and the comment about the '71 340 Swingers being planned out better because they were a show of thanks for a couple dealers – it actually is the opposite. The '71's were special ordered (Y39) by 2 dealers (Crosstown Motors in Edmonton and Crestview Dodge in Regina) while the '72's were gifts – but still Y39 special ordered – to Pembina Dodge in Winnipeg and again, Crosstown in Edmonton for blowing out a bunch of cars for head office - thus, less in known about them because they snuck-in the back door so to speak.
Back to the hood scoop thing, I'm posting fender tags from '71 and '72 (mine) Swinger 340 Specials showing the J54 code wasn't stamped on the '72's and showing what the factory punched on the '71's because not all of them got the twin scoops and the one's that did, got the 'hood scoops' stamp on the tag...

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Hey Grant, no, it's a direct scan, so no shadows, making it look punched.
Oh, and keep those eyes peeled out there on the Manitoba prairie for any of those Pembina '72 340 Swinger Specials!!! Cliff
 
Cliff. What about body colored paint on the 71 tag? and no paint on 72 tag? Was the 71 painted with the car on the line? my 72 tags have no paint. Kev
 
Hey Kev, went back through pics and from what I see is that the '71's were painted and the 72's weren't. For the '71's, most of the fender tag examples are rubbings and not pics so it's not for sure but the biggest evidence was 2 originals, one had the tag off leaving a bare metal area where the tag would have been and the other was all paint. Then there's the 'no scoops' one on this string that was paint. As for the '72's, as our cars indicate, they were bare metal. Now, can't speak for the Pembina car - don't have a pic of that one. Maybe Darrel is poking around here and can fill us in a bit more with his 3...
 
Does anyone have a template for after market scoops on a 1972 Demon.
 
72demon440 said:
has any one cut out the entire center section out instead of just the holes. Not going for stock appearance! More air flow. Jared
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I was thinking that too Jared, because i noticed the big hole would be covered completely by the scoop. Did you ever do this? How did it turn out?
 
J-Dub said:
I was thinking that too Jared, because i noticed the big hole would be covered completely by the scoop. Did you ever do this? How did it turn out?
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Yes i did.. okay.. a bit mor then the center triangle. :)
The hole is in the middle of the Hood. Air Cleaner is centered by an air cleaner base with 1" Offset

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After cutting the hole some of the hood-braces became loose so i had to weld them.
 
I am looking to purchase a scoop like this dual snorkle, I know that AAR makes one but has anyone purchased the one off e-bay for half the price ? Is it close to the same quality ? Or a piece of crap ! Any one that made a purchase your opinion would be helpful, Thanks, Frank
 
I bought mine from Classicindustries. Part# M2447 Their online catalog says it fits 70-76 Duster. It does not fit 73-up

Send it back from Switzerland to USA was no option. So i had a lot of work to make it fit the 74 hood.

Poor quality: The scoop openings in the front did not have the same shape. On the inside of the scoop i had to remove tons of filler deposits.
 
Sorry no pictures at the moment but just wanted to add a little to this. I own a 1974 Dart Sport 360's with the J54 hood scoop. It is all original paint loaded with just about every available options (Sunroof, Fold down back seat, Cruise control, Heated back window, AM/FM radio, Tuff Wheel, Light package, A/C, P/S, PDB, Tinted glass, Body side moldings, Body tape treatment, Bumper guards, etc.). I had another almost identical one in red, with the J54 (stamped on the fender tag) hood scoop option but decided to sell recently it to reduce my collection. It also had the Convertrible Option. My car is all wrapped up on jack stands and has been in storage for many years. One day when I unwrap it I'll take some pictures and post it. I know pictures speak a thousand words.

Both has the holes with rubber grommets and hood tape treatment. It was mandatory to have the hood tape treatment if you have the J54 hood scoop option. I did notice that that the area over the vent at the base of the windshield is NOT tape but paint.

Apparently, the J54 scoop was NOT a performance OPTION, unlike the '70 340 Swingers and '71 340 Demons, which came standard with the two separate hood scoops. I remember seeing an original/unrestored 1973-74 Dart Sport with a 318 in the 1970's with the twin snorkel scoop with the 4" holes and grommets.

I'm almost positive in 1972 the snorkel hood scoop was an option on the 340 Demons because I remember seeing them without the scoop new. Just to warn you original factory hood scoops were two piece. The '72 Demons had it's own base while the '73-74 had a different base (different part #'s) due to different shaped hoods. '72 Demons had a flat base while the '73-74's had a peak in the middle due to the ridge in the middle of the hoods. The top piece were all the same with the same with the same part numbers. BTW, did you know that the '73-75 Dart Sport hoods are the same as on '69 Barracuda's?

Be aware that the repos of the snorkel hood scoop are one piece and are smaller than the factory scoop. The ones I saw were not very well made.
 
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Here is the measurements I used to install the twin scoops on my 70 duster.
The necessary measurements are scribed onto the hood in the attached image.
They are right on the button.
 
cliff guinand said:
I have to agree with you on the factory installing the hood scoop because they were essentially Demon hoods - just without the stripes – maybe, just aren't enough examples ((5 found of the possible 65)) to make a 'call', so yeah, come on Canadians, if you know of one or knew of one, please post it. Oh, and the comment about the '71 340 Swingers being planned out better because they were a show of thanks for a couple dealers – it actually is the opposite. The '71's were special ordered (Y39) by 2 dealers (Crosstown Motors in Edmonton and Crestview Dodge in Regina) while the '72's were gifts – but still Y39 special ordered – to Pembina Dodge in Winnipeg and again, Crosstown in Edmonton for blowing out a bunch of cars for head office - thus, less in known about them because they snuck-in the back door so to speak.
Back to the hood scoop thing, I'm posting fender tags from '71 and '72 (mine) Swinger 340 Specials showing the J54 code wasn't stamped on the '72's and showing what the factory punched on the '71's because not all of them got the twin scoops and the one's that did, got the 'hood scoops' stamp on the tag...

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Interesting that these 71 & 72 340 Swingers were built on "LL" low-line cars as opposed to the "LM" medium-line 70 Swinger 340's and 71/72 Demon 340's used. The weird and wonderful world of Mopar!
 
jimmyray said:
Been lurking on this thread for a while, and I can finally contribute something. Below is a scan from a dealer brochure, showing the little scoops you referred to.

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Has anyone ever seen one of these Twisters with the '69 'Cuda style scoops??? Is there anyone who makes repros of those scoops if someone was so inclined as to make them functional?
 
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