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Well guys if nothing else these thread bring out the guys who cant debate there side without losing there lid. Those are they guys we dont need here anyway.
 
Chill !! This is my house to :protest: and I hope this thread get's cleaned up and soon:banghead: for the reputation of fabo............
 
You tell MeMike. although I think leaving his comments is pretty embarrassing to him. Seems like more of a punishment then just banning him.
 
AdamR said:
You tell MeMike. although I think leaving his comments is pretty embarrassing to him. Seems like more of a punishment then just banning him.
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Thank you :D and I see your point sir :lol: Keep up the great job AdamR :glasses7:
 
These are not the first condescending remarks made on the site by altered A-body, and I would thank him not to use such language in an open forum.

The thread that rmchrgr started here is a perfectly legitimate thread, same as any other "look at what this moron is doing" thread, video or news clip you can see here and all over the web. It just so happens to center around an A body!! So whats the big deal?? Can't we discuss this and be on different sides and still get along, and do so without so much venom towards each other?? Is that too much to ask??

If I look at the logistics alone of this, I'd say that in NY you are going to get a much different quality of cars to choose from, and probably at inflated east coast prices. I don't think anyone is expecting high dollar muscle for nothing here, but a decent car for a decent deal. Like I said before in a previous post, you just gotta be patient and you will find the right car at the right price. Putting a time constraint on your search will lead to rash decisions for a purchase you may not be happy with.

The little 66 in another one of my previous posts here was basically in storage for the last 24 years, driven less than 1000 miles in that time. All of a sudden, BOOM, it's for sale!!! With this economy, more and more cars are coming out all the time, some overpriced based on the sellers mis-information or amount of money invested, some being sold because of the economy and priced to sell, and just about everything in between.

"Patience is a virtue" is an old cliche that may apply here, although a little worn out and in short supply nowadays. But I think a little would go a long way here, both when looking for a car, and in regards to each others opinions and feelings!!!

Geof
 
So getting back on topic, What do you feel is top dollar for a clean, correctly done A body? I see it as theres going to be 3 categories.

Correctly restored cars

Original survivor cars

modified cars.

Modified cars are going to be the hardest to put a value on because its more about personal taste and how modified it is.
 
heres one in my area, there are still deals to be had



1974 Dodge Dart Sport Coupe - $2800 (La Junta)
V8 318 engine
new starter, ignition switch, belts, spark plugs, master cylinder, fuel pump, battery and front tires
custom original keystone rims (4)
no rust
all glass in good shape no cracks or chips
rebuilt original engine
clean title numbers matching
needs some elctrical work done
 

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AdamR said:
So getting back on topic, What do you feel is top dollar for a clean, correctly done A body? I see it as theres going to be 3 categories.

Correctly restored cars------What kind? Slant 6 3 on the tree car, or balls out 340 4 speed convertible?

Original survivor cars-----Same question.

modified cars.-----See statement below. lol

Modified cars are going to be the hardest to put a value on because its more about personal taste and how modified it is.
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Well Adam, as said above there are regional factors involved here as well as model preferences and options!! I'd say top of the food chain seems to be the Duster and Demon body style with muscle options, fetching around 10k, followed by 67-69 Darts and Barracudas fetching 8K and then 70-72 and later Darts commanding 7k, followed by 73 and later anything at 5k and taking up the rear right now are early A's at about $4,500....

Now, all of these estimates are for #2 cars, nice running and driving examples but needing to be finished, either unrestored or partially restored. Restored meaning correctly done and not modified to the builders preference!! Add or subtract as conditions dictate...... and of course jmo!!! Geof
 
AdamR said:
So getting back on topic, What do you feel is top dollar for a clean, correctly done A body? I see it as theres going to be 3 categories.

Correctly restored cars

Original survivor cars

modified cars.

Modified cars are going to be the hardest to put a value on because its more about personal taste and how modified it is.
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Personally, as in my opinion I think 20K would be about tops for an original/restored A-body, barring something highly unusual/special/unique (Hemi Dart, Sox and Martin Cuda, etc). And that 20K would have to be for something like a 340 4 speed demon with buckets, console, good color in awesome everything is original or done right shape. Once you get past 20K you're in decent E-body/good B-body territory.

I think anything newer than 72 or pre-67 would top out a lot,lot less than that. Again, my opinion.

Modified cars, it depends a lot. There has to be some consideration of the $$$ invested in the hardware (usually about .50 on the dollar), and how much money would need to be spent to uncustom any unappealing bodywork.

But what do I know, I think my car is worth 12K. LOL
 
Hmmmmmmm;I thought this thread was about Flip Job
 
cosgig said:
These are not the first condescending remarks made on the site by altered A-body, and I would thank him not to use such language in an open forum.

The thread that rmchrgr started here is a perfectly legitimate thread, same as any other "look at what this moron is doing" thread, video or news clip you can see here and all over the web. It just so happens to center around an A body!! So whats the big deal?? Can't we discuss this and be on different sides and still get along, and do so without so much venom towards each other?? Is that too much to ask??

If I look at the logistics alone of this, I'd say that in NY you are going to get a much different quality of cars to choose from, and probably at inflated east coast prices. I don't think anyone is expecting high dollar muscle for nothing here, but a decent car for a decent deal. Like I said before in a previous post, you just gotta be patient and you will find the right car at the right price. Putting a time constraint on your search will lead to rash decisions for a purchase you may not be happy with.

The little 66 in another one of my previous posts here was basically in storage for the last 24 years, driven less than 1000 miles in that time. All of a sudden, BOOM, it's for sale!!! With this economy, more and more cars are coming out all the time, some overpriced based on the sellers mis-information or amount of money invested, some being sold because of the economy and priced to sell, and just about everything in between.

"Patience is a virtue" is an old cliche that may apply here, although a little worn out and in short supply nowadays. But I think a little would go a long way here, both when looking for a car, and in regards to each others opinions and feelings!!!

Geof
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Thanks Geof, well said.

It is true, those of us in the north east have a little bit of a different perspective than some of you guys in more temperate climates. Clean cars are at a premium around here since they really don't exist.

Adam is correct in his categorization of cars and the modified ones are definitely the most subjective. I guess you just have to know what you're looking at in those situations and make sure the car is actually worth what the seller claims.

Most of my point here is about lower level cars, like a '68 Dart 270. Do you buy a Dart 270 because of what it is? Maybe, but more likely you're like me and want a sort of sleeper vibe with subtle modifications. I love original paint, side moldings, original interiors etc. In general, these cars were not candidates for hot rods earlier in their existence since they were actually basic transportation for old ladies and the like. How many of you guys had a grandma that drove an old Dart or Duster until she passed?

I bought a '65 Valiant 100 a while back that had around 80K miles on it. This car was so basic it was like riding in a metal box. Actual radio delete, bench seat, 13" wheels, side molding etc. It was pretty clean for what is was and where I got it (Indiana) The thing is, it was really owned by a 90 year old lady when I bought it. She drove it back and forth to church and to the grocery store. That's it for 40+ years. These are the types of cars I look for. Not sure about everyone else.

Problem is when you look at these 'basic' cars, they're now priced the same as say a 340 car. To me, that is again artificial inflation.
 
d5667 said:
Hmmmmmmm;I thought this thread was about Flip Job
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yes but dont you think the value of cars are relevant ? Flipping is driving up prices. So lets see what people feel the cars are worth.
 
rmchrgr said:
Thanks Geof, well said.

It is true, those of us in the north east have a little bit of a different perspective than some of you guys in more temperate climates. Clean cars are at a premium around here since they really don't exist.

Adam is correct in his categorization of cars and the modified ones are definitely the most subjective. I guess you just have to know what you're looking at in those situations and make sure the car is actually worth what the seller claims.

Most of my point here is about lower level cars, like a '68 Dart 270. Do you buy a Dart 270 because of what it is? Maybe, but more likely you're like me and want a sort of sleeper vibe with subtle modifications. I love original paint, side moldings, original interiors etc. In general, these cars were not candidates for hot rods earlier in their existence since they were actually basic transportation for old ladies and the like. How many of you guys had a grandma that drove an old Dart or Duster until she passed?

I bought a '65 Valiant 100 a while back that had around 80K miles on it. This car was so basic it was like riding in a metal box. Actual radio delete, bench seat, 13" wheels, side molding etc. It was pretty clean for what is was and where I got it (Indiana) The thing is, it was really owned by a 90 year old lady when I bought it. She drove it back and forth to church and to the grocery store. That's it for 40+ years. These are the types of cars I look for. Not sure about everyone else.

Problem is when you look at these 'basic' cars, they're now priced the same as say a 340 car. To me, that is again artificial inflation.
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Not really artificial-lots of these low dollar cars got parted to save the big dollar cars.45 years is quite a while of parting,wrecks and rust.Supply and demand is the rule.If you want these cars,you better buy them because the ricer generation is almost here and they have no intrest in keeping these cars from the crusher.
 
Although I am sort of in the camp of correctness, given the $$ and time to do so, I would love to get an older unrestored car like the Dart in question here, and completely do what I would have done in the 70's had my Grandma given it to me then. Jack it up, put some big Mickey Thompsons on the back, a big oversized carb on an aluminum intake, headers, cover the steering wheel with a JC Whitney grip, some house shag, and a big Sparkomatic stereo system with my speaker wires running right over the carpet. Yea, that should do it!!!

Then, I'd drive it like I would've back then, with all my buddies hanging out the window, yelling at chicks, beating and bombin' it up all over town, without concern for the model, body style, originality or anything but the moment!!! Oh, but that would be modified, wouldn't it??? Heck, I don't care, I just want it my way!!!! Geof
 
rmchrgr said:
yikes. Ok francis.

Though i don't really need to explain myself to anyone, i guess it's probably necessary here since you are insistent on calling me out. This has been a fairly civil discussion so far, why make it personal?

I've pumped more money into this hobby in the last 20 years than i care to think about. (just ask my wife) i've had good deals and bad deals which happens when you do something enough times. I've been lowballed so badly on some of my stuff it literally hurts to think about. I've also made some decent money on some of my sales.

I am proud to say i've never ripped anyone off in this hobby. Never ever. I price my things accordingly. Sure, i try to get the best price i can (within reason) but 9 times out of 10 i cave to a decent offer. The market for these particular cars is relatively small which makes demand high. So now we're in a situation where the seller is in the driver's seat. Nothing we can do about it, just simple economics.

So now what do i do, sit back and let it be without any intervention? Do you buy everything at whatever the seller sets their price at? I'd rather make an effort to alert people that this kind of stuff (flipping etc.) goes on resulting in artificial inflation. Will it do any good? Considering the responses to this thread, probably not.

Are you ok with guys flipping cars like the dart here? Just asking. I'm not, but that's ok, i don't have to agree with everyone else. I really don't care what people do with their cars but i also have every right to comment on it and state my views.

I pony up when the deal is right. I don't try to lowball people because i don't like it myself. I have studied the markets enough to get a pretty good grasp of what something should be priced at. Do you?

This really has nothing to do with how hard anyone works or about whining that cars are too expensive. Perhaps you can take a few deep breaths and get yourself to a nice, happy place. Then go back and actually read (comprehend) what i am trying to get across.

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well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!!! Encore!!!!!!!!!!!
 
dusterny said:
I 100% agree with you I would buy a car today as it would be cheaper.
Around here almost zero young guys in Mopars as it is out of there price range and they end up in a chebby.
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Yeah makes me glad my parents bought me my 64 dart four years ago when i was 15 for 1200 bucks.

I also don't feel that me asking 1800 for my dads 73 dart is that bad of a price even tho it needs alot of work. Everyone has the right to ask what they want whether they get that or not is up to the buyer.

I have my 64 priced at 4 grand is it worth that with the work it still needs probably not but i don't really want to sell it anyway but if the right person was looking for one and had cash they may buy it.
 
cosgig said:
These are not the first condescending remarks made on the site by altered A-body, and I would thank him not to use such language in an open forum.

The thread that rmchrgr started here is a perfectly legitimate thread, same as any other "look at what this moron is doing" thread, video or news clip you can see here and all over the web. It just so happens to center around an A body!! So whats the big deal?? Can't we discuss this and be on different sides and still get along, and do so without so much venom towards each other?? Is that too much to ask??

If I look at the logistics alone of this, I'd say that in NY you are going to get a much different quality of cars to choose from, and probably at inflated east coast prices. I don't think anyone is expecting high dollar muscle for nothing here, but a decent car for a decent deal. Like I said before in a previous post, you just gotta be patient and you will find the right car at the right price. Putting a time constraint on your search will lead to rash decisions for a purchase you may not be happy with.

The little 66 in another one of my previous posts here was basically in storage for the last 24 years, driven less than 1000 miles in that time. All of a sudden, BOOM, it's for sale!!! With this economy, more and more cars are coming out all the time, some overpriced based on the sellers mis-information or amount of money invested, some being sold because of the economy and priced to sell, and just about everything in between.

"Patience is a virtue" is an old cliche that may apply here, although a little worn out and in short supply nowadays. But I think a little would go a long way here, both when looking for a car, and in regards to each others opinions and feelings!!!

Geof
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Another well said!! Im glad some of the more intelligent Fabo bretheren are having thier say. We heard from the least intelligent already...altered abody...
 
i feel any 70-76 duster or dart sport/demon , 6 cylinder car , in great running condition, should be topping out at 4k. i feel 6 cylinder 340 clone cars are overpriced at 15k. just because someone put a bunch of 340 stuff on it doesnt make it valuable. original 340 correctly restored cars should legitimately bring 15-20k. builder 340 cars with all the parts needing to be put together should bring 6-8k given they are 95% complete. i am no guru by any means, but i do watch what they are generally going for.
 
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