Mopar electronic distributor

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As an engineer, I have to laugh when people argue about "Mopar" vs "GM" parts. Neither makes brakes, electronics, wiring, seats, ... The auto companies mostly make chassis', engines, and transmissions. Most other components come from 3rd party specialist companies. They issue requests for bids and they usually select the low bidder. GM did own some of these companies (Delco, Saginaw?), mainly because they were so big and could, but has since sold many off. The Mopar ignition was great for being first. Later, improved ignition designs were able to eliminate the ballast resistor. Mopar did too, but chose to incoporate it in the large "spark computer" box, so we can't use that in our cars.
 
The set up Trailbeast sells is awesome. Weather you buy his or create your own, you won't be disappointed. All the claims he makes are true. I put one on my car last summer and was wowed by the difference. So to Johnny Dart, you should do some homework on how weak and troublesome the Chrysler system before do the chest thumping.
 
BillGrissom said:
.......... Mopar ............. chose to incoporate............
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Mopar thinking. One thing that makes absolutely no sense is putting the voltage regulator in the engine control. Oh, ...........yeh..............it was cheaper.
 
67Dart273 said:
Mopar thinking. One thing that makes absolutely no sense is putting the voltage regulator in the engine control. Oh, ...........yeh..............it was cheaper.
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Please tell me when any manufacturer of any product chose to incorporate more expensive parts when they figured that cheaper ones were "good enough." Auto history is full of recalls when a "good enough" part or assembly failed when a few more pennies would have made the difference. Sometimes the engineers eff up on their own (nobody's perfect) sometimes the bean counters make decisions that turn out badly, and there are other factors. I forget who the auto genius was who said "Save a dollar a car, build a million cars - save a million dollars."

ATB

BC
 
fklskv said:
The set up Trailbeast sells is awesome. Weather you buy his or create your own, you won't be disappointed. All the claims he makes are true. I put one on my car last summer and was wowed by the difference. So to Johnny Dart, you should do some homework on how weak and troublesome the Chrysler system before do the chest thumping.
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"....how weak and troublesome the Chrysler system (is) before do the chest thumping."

OK, but how about the multitudes of us who have run stock or "upgraded" Mopar ignitions for however many hundreds of thousands of miles and not suffered failures.

Not saying that anyone's well thought out system, or anyone's homebrew HEI lashup is inferior either, time (and miles) will tell.

In the nearly fifty years since the Chrysler system was first used, there have been many improvements in electronic knowledge and manufacturing technology. To think that something better has not been invented in that time is foolish.

To think that uncounted miles of satisfactory service should be disregarded because something new and shinier has come along is equally foolish IMHO.

ATB

BC
 
64ragtop said:
Please tell me when any manufacturer of any product chose to incorporate more expensive parts
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Your analysis is faulty. This is not about cheap parts, it's about "being ridiculous."

This would be similar to making the entire dashboard a one--piece assembly, so that if just one indicator lamp, just one gauge, just one anything went bad, you have to rip out the entire and expensive dash and replace the entire assembly.

Putting the voltage regulator CIRCUIT inside the engine control computer is a really really stupid idea, and has cost some owners a LOT of money.
 
fklskv said:
The set up Trailbeast sells is awesome. Weather you buy his or create your own, you won't be disappointed. All the claims he makes are true. I put one on my car last summer and was wowed by the difference. So to Johnny Dart, you should do some homework on how weak and troublesome the Chrysler system before do the chest thumping.
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No homework necessary. It's a proven system,thats has stood the test of time.Period.

Now go get yerself a mullet and jump in that Mopar/GM or No Car thing.
Have a great day !
 
abodyjoe said:
they also used bias ply tires,drum brakes,points,am radio...etc.


but i'll take a radial tire, disc brakes, electronic ign and a fm,cd,aux imput radio in my car every day of the week..


according to your logic we may as well still be using a horse and carriage.
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Well, this post wasnt about bias ply tires, drum brakes, points, am radios, ect. The origonal poster wanted to know if the factory electronic ignition system was a good system, and reliable. The answer is YES. Millions of miles proves it to be an rugged system. Just because YOU dont understand it, or YOU have had problems with it, doesnt mean there is a thing wrong with it.
 
replicaracer43 said:
Well, this post wasnt about bias ply tires, drum brakes, points, am radios, ect. The origonal poster wanted to know if the factory electronic ignition system was a good system, and reliable. The answer is YES. Millions of miles proves it to be an rugged system. Just because YOU dont understand it, or YOU have had problems with it, doesnt mean there is a thing wrong with it.
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it was a reply to a post in this thread and the kooky way of thinking so maybe you need to get the hell over it.. nuff said on that.


some are so close minded they will see what they want to see and will never understand.. thats fine by me.. use inferior equipment if thats your desire. no sweat off my ***.. :)




and if you really look at the op question it was a reliable way to keep costs down.. and from his reply it looks like he was open to suggestions..


tooslow said:
i am building a mild 383 6 pack car , hyd cam , 9 to 1 CR, A get in and go
Question:
Is the chrysler electronic ignition w the module and resistor any good?
I usually go MSD but the chrysler set up is very reasonable
Looking to keep money in the piggy bank If i can
A body Cuda
thx
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Powerflite said:
This is what I do:

http://www.designed2drive.com
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tooslow said:
Cool and thank you
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abodyjoe said:
and if you really look at the op question it was a reliable way to keep costs down.. and from his reply it looks like he was open to suggestions..
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That's what I thought also, so a hundred buck for a complete system minus the distributor seemed to fit the bill.

I also wonder if Johnny acts like this to everyone he talks to, or just people that are not within arms reach. :D
 
My HEI module went 319K miles before it died, daily driver since it was new in 1985. My cuda will be getting the HEI system soon to go along with the chevy trans thats in it now.
 
Go to the Smithsonian Museum, turn on Edisons first light bulb, it still burns. Yes is made from a mason jar and no it never put out a lot of light.
My point is... everything electrical will fail eventually, including Edisons bulb. All types of varriables effect the percentage of failure in a particular component.
Consider the voltage regulator being moved to the ECM. If enviromental conditions were responcible for a large percentage of those failures where the reg' was outside the cabin, moving it inside the cabin would be a wise decision. Maybe its distance from the ECM was also a factor in ECM failure. We can't know the whole story. We can only know what is told.
The internet skews the perception of percetages through repetition.. One promenent example is the shunt in Chryslers ALT' gauge. Only a very small percentage of all produced have failed but todays general concensus is every one of them is garbage and should be eliminated immediately.
Replace the part once in 10 years is good. Replace the part ten times in 1 year is bad.
That bad is likely the result of particular application and not the original design/engineering.
I should stop there but I must mention this ... I saw a commercial for a wireless antenna signal devise that allows taking the tv anywhere, even outdoors. I wonder how many TVs are actually designed for outdoor use ? LOL
Yes the 50" flat screen TV is light enough to lift and carry out in the weather but at 900 bucks a copy, I wouldn't.
 
Well, once more, yes the chrysler system is bullit proof, people allways want to try to re-invent the wheel, so they can say "I did it" I have thousands and thousands of miles, and nearly 20 years of use on the same box, resistor, and distributor. I have won tons of circle track races with the factory dist, and a chrome box, including a track championship, and current track record holder by the way, in a A body no less, and even though abodyjerkoff wouldnt beleive it, it gets done on torsion bars too!:finga:
 
lol.. what a clown.. your stupid *** picks only me out of this entire conversation ...

gotta really suck being such a closed minded loser like that.. i actually feel bad for you for some odd reason. hopefully one day you will get the help or love that you desperately need,
 
If you got your feelings hurt, or whatever, sorry, try to stay on topic to the original posters needs... your comments like "your stupid ***" and "closed minded loser" make very clear your mindset...... You sir, sound like a pissed off child... Go pound sand..
 
lol.. trust me, noting posted on an internet forum can hurt my feelings..

like i said. please go get the help you obviously need..
 
Will do, thinking I might go get someone to grill me up a steak! Thats the kind of help that a guy can use!!
 
Am I going to be banished for putting a denso alternator from a toyota on my car... god forbid!
 
crackedback said:
Am I going to be banished for putting a denso alternator from a toyota on my car... god forbid!
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Nope! the Chrysler alternators are a little short on amperage, and low speed output is where it really shows up..... been thinking about a upgrade like that myself!
 
replicar43 and abodyjoe.......please.....shake hands and make up or avoid each other....pick one of those two options i'm not givin out any infractions this month....NONE
 
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