putting a ford 5.0 in a 72 Dart

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The OP never said what his fabrication skills are, so I'll take the leap. If you are contemplating the Coyote swap, do you have the welding skills to make it safe? What is your knowledge of braking systems and making them completely safe and functional? What are your "true" fab skills and, last but not least, how deep are your pockets? Any cross breeding of power plants and bodies get really expensive really fast. Even with my MOPAR/MOPAR stroked small block bracket car, I quit counting what I had in it when it reached to 30K mark. Think long and hard before committing to a project such as yours. The whole reason I wrote this is, look at all of the projects that show up because the original builder either lost interest, or ran out of money. They will "never" recover what they have invested and most of the time it sours them on building projects. I'm not dissing the OP for his thoughts of being original and different, all I'm saying is, "be cautious of what you dive off into".
 
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Kern Dog said:
The 3G Hemi is a great engine but hoooooo-leee crap, it isn't as cheap as you'd hope.
I looked at the costs to do an installation in a '70 Charger. The mounts and exhaust are the easy part. When you look at the front end accessory drive, the computer to run the EFI. the fuel system changes too...The swap can run $6000 IF you have a FREE engine.
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I am currently at $4316.44 for my swap and that includes a $400 core motor, my fuel tank with pump and a full exhaust. It also includes a 6.4 intake, 6.4 cam/springs, several harnesses to cut down and combine, used PCM and everything to bolt it into the car.

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But I'm not done and running. I am projecting about $6K after re-ringing the motor, FEAD and radiator and a tune. Not far off your number except mine will include the motor. And there is still the possibility that the core motor will cost me more than I am projecting.

I should add that prices have gone up over time, too. I got my Holley headers when they were $500, they are over $700 now, the stainless exhaust was a $400 deal, and my 6.4 intake was a killer $300 deal that even included the injectors. Not sure where the Holley pan and mounts are now either. So I am not saying anyone could duplicate my costs, only that it maybe isn't always as expensive as people make it out to be.

I'm also not including any of the cost for my T56 Magnum kit.
 
I think if you don't plan to use a factory transmission, most motor swaps aren't significantly different if you get away from the Mopar offerings. If you have to build a crossmember for a T56 or something, does it really matter what motor is being swapped in?

And if you go to a QA1 suspension like Jared did with Tri-Hard that has motor mounts available for all options and you are building a new tunnel and mount for a TKX like he did, is it really much harder to put a Coyote in than a G3? I guess headers might be an issue and make the Coyote the hardest of the 3, but beyond that it kind of seems like it becomes a wash.

After the motor is bolted in, the EFI system will be a stand alone kit regardless of what motor it is controlling. And they all need a fuel system. So none of the ancillary systems factor in unless I am missing something.

The G3 Hemi can be a bolt in if you use a 727/904/A833 and TTI/Schumacher mounts and a factory style suspension. Even with the Holley mounts it's only a little more fiddly for the trans mounts and hookups but not horrible. Even if a COC was used, with a Mopar transmission the G3 is be a bolt in. That would be the easy button for a late model motor.

And to me, I can't see why a Coyote would be better than a G3 in a Mopar other than to be different. Maybe there is some ultimate 10/10th advantage to the 4V overhead cam motor but I doubt any of us mere mortals would ever find that zone. I would bolt a G3 in it and call it good if it were me and I wanted a late model motor. But that shouldn't come as a surprise since that is exactly what I am doing.
 
Watching a Tri-Hard video I missed where Jared is fixing his trans and pulling the Coyote to return it to the yard that loaned it to him and saw this:

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Best guess, he had to put some serious mods into the PS framerail to fit the Coyote. But I could be wrong.

Here is the video:

 
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A magnum swap is the awnser if you want an easy efi thing to throw in it
 
Dartswinger70 said:
LS swap aren't they dime a dozen cheap like 318s used to be?
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LS stuff is cheap, but not like SB mopar used parts cheap.

the manifold you'd want to use (LS1/6) with fuel rails and injectors run about 4~600 give or take, LS carb ones are 200+ (unless you want hong kong phooey ones), but then add a carb to that. then the real fun begins with the wiring and PCM and flash tunes. and that's supposing you have the correct accessory drive for what you're trying to accomplish. you don't? cough up another 1200.

you could probably do a dirty LS swap for a few G's less if you were thrifty, shopped smart, bought used and had time to accumulate everything-- and had some skills-- but also didn't care if it was neat and tidy and done well.

the same goes for G3 swap. i did some back of the napkin math on it about 2yrs ago and if you just put everything in the cart and wanted to melt a credit card buying all new it'd be about 12K with a full half of that being the motor.

like for like though, doing a swap with either using top quality components the price difference is surprisingly close.
 
DionR said:
Watching a Tri-Hard video I missed where Jared is fixing his trans and pulling the Coyote to return it to the yard that loaned it to him and saw this:

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Best guess, he had to put some serious mods into the PS framerail to fit the Coyote. But I could be wrong.
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wowza. is that just fenderwell or did it get into the firewall as well? that all looks... concerning....
 
junkyardhero said:
wowza. is that just fenderwell or did it get into the firewall as well? that all looks... concerning....
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I agree. It could be an optical illusion, but it kind of looks to me like most of the frame rail is missing there.

I didn't look hard, but I couldn't find anything in detail on the PS header for the Coyote swap. Makes me think it was ugly and he didn't really want to talk about it.

Edit - could just be some heat shielding, too.
 
DionR said:
I agree. It could be an optical illusion, but it kind of looks to me like most of the frame rail is missing there.

I didn't look hard, but I couldn't find anything in detail on the PS header for the Coyote swap. Makes me think it was ugly and he didn't really want to talk about it.

Edit - could just be some heat shielding, too.
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yeah, i can't tell and the vidya didn't really show much from what i could see. that whole lower right area has a lot of stuff going on there what with the firewall, frame rail, torque box, rocker... lotta moving pieces...
 
Codybones said:
Morning everyone
My question today is how hard and how much engineering goes into swapping a 318 with a 5.0 coyote? I want the modern smooth running fuel injection plus a little more HP without a bunch of huge parts that i'd have to add to the 318. what are the major stumbling blocks that I will run into?
Thanks for any help.
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You still won't get as much hate as 318's get.
 
Codybones said:
Is this not a site to ask questions? maybe I misunderstood what its all about.
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Don't get all offended cause you go to a Mopar site and ask about a ford swap and get push back. I highly doubt anyone here has done it, so you'll probably have to tell us how it go's.

There is a Duster on Youtube were the guy swapped all 3, Gen 3 Hemi, LS and a Coyote into the Duster, look it up probably help.

Like most unconventional swaps, oil pan and exhaust usually biggest roadblocks plus whatever cutting welding fabrication is needed.
 
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There is a Duster on Youtube were the guy swapped all 3, Gen 3 Hemi, LS and a Coyote into the Duster, look it up probably help.
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Did you jump to the end? There are 2 or 3 links in this thread already of different videos of that build.
 
DionR said:
I agree. It could be an optical illusion, but it kind of looks to me like most of the frame rail is missing there.

I didn't look hard, but I couldn't find anything in detail on the PS header for the Coyote swap. Makes me think it was ugly and he didn't really want to talk about it.

Edit - could just be some heat shielding, too.
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Yeah, by the look of this angle, it looks like it’s heat shielding for his fuel lines.

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I believe the above picture comes under the heading of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
 
diymirage said:
that looks what AI would spit out when you ask it for a picture of a Dually
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Demonracer said:
I believe the above picture comes under the heading of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
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jos51700 said:
That picture was spit out before Internet was really a thing, lol.
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oh gentlemen, rest assured it is very much a real thing...


they're out there making new ones of these suckers. Hennessey makes one called the "mammoth" and it's something dumb like 1000hp or some such.
 
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