putting a ford 5.0 in a 72 Dart

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Well, one thing I recall about SBFs is that they are compact. Take note, the 351Ws are taller in the block dimension, those 289/302 accessories may not fit :BangHead: . Glad it wasn't a set of Hooker Headers I had to park after that 351 swap :lol:
 
Those engines are pretty wide with the 4 valve heads. The 72 Dart is wider than the pre 67 cars, so you have that going for you. Just measure, measure, measure. I'm just guessing, but I bet it'll fit. Ain't but one way to find out.
 
Well, one thing I recall about SBFs is that they are compact. Take note, the 351Ws are taller in the block dimension, those 289/302 accessories may not fit :BangHead: . Glad it wasn't a set of Hooker Headers I had to park after that 351 swap :lol:
Not that one. He's talking about the Coyote 5.0.
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Have you done the measurements to see that it will fit? What will you be doing for a transmission ?

It is a great platform that can make tons of power.No ill will from me. My best friend has a 440 in his Ford Fairmont so what is good for the goose.......

I think it would be cheaper to build a 360 or a 408 stroker and put fuel injection on it. However, if that is what you want then go for it! I would love to see it.
440 in a Fairmont... I love it...
I more like freiburger (or is it Finnegan?) that put a hemi in a 55 Chevy....
I get so tired of no matter what brand the body, "stick a 350 in there".... Now a days it's an LS instead (where's the beat your head against the brick wall icon?)

I remember my brother having a 69 F250 on which he was so fed up with its 390 he was considering swapping in a 318.... Until a high school buddy of mine wanted to sell his 69 galaxie that my brother bought for its 390, swapped engines and promptly sold the truck....
 
440 in a Fairmont... I love it...
I more like freiburger (or is it Finnegan?) that put a hemi in a 55 Chevy....
I get so tired of no matter what brand the body, "stick a 350 in there".... Now a days it's an LS instead (where's the beat your head against the brick wall icon?)

I remember my brother having a 69 F250 on which he was so fed up with its 390 he was considering swapping in a 318.... Until a high school buddy of mine wanted to sell his 69 galaxie that my brother bought for its 390, swapped engines and promptly sold the truck....
That was Finnegan, called it BlaspHEMI.
 
Morning everyone
My question today is how hard and how much engineering goes into swapping a 318 with a 5.0 coyote? I want the modern smooth running fuel injection plus a little more HP without a bunch of huge parts that i'd have to add to the 318. what are the major stumbling blocks that I will run into?
Thanks for any help.
Here ya go.

 
If you want later model benefits, a late hemi swap will be MUCH easier. I don't know much about em but plenty here do.

Iirc the transmission bolt pattern is the same and all that.
 
Sorry I thought I introduced myself on the new members site but maybe i didn't press send, I'm getting old and I do that a lot. When I was growing up my older brother was a chevy guy so I got all his broken hand me downs so I was kind of led into the chevy side, after I retired I realized I always liked the looks of many Mopar vehicles so I purchased my first Mopar a basically restored 71 Duster. Now I purchased a 72 Dart Swinger with a 318 and a three on the tree that needs lots of work, I want to do some modifications and this car is better suited then the Duster, thus here I am asking stupid questions. Thanks for letting me onto this forum I love pouring through it I am gaining a lot of knowledge from the site even though it may not show. I will try to be more enlightened before asking anymore silly questions and my sincere apologies to any I offended.
Thank you
the main question you gotta ask yourself is how good can you weld??

If you are good at melting metal, then you should be good to go and i personally would like to see what you are proposing to do.

I used to be a diehard purist but the harsh reality is that in 2024, building a high power Mopar takes huge money and is real cookie cutter because everyone who can afford it is doing the same ol song and dance.

If you want to hot rod, you really gotta think outside the box and work with what is available in the age of 10 year and newer pick a part lots and the old stuff being pretty much GONE!. The good old days of 50 dollar 360s, 300 dollar 340s, and 400 dollar running 440s are just GONE!!

I have recently conceded to the fact that 8.8 rear end swaps are a superior option to high dollar and super rare original stuff in cars that i want to be cheap with and just drive.

Get it running with the engine of your choice and Hot rod on ....... welcome aboard.
 
If you want later model benefits, a late hemi swap will be MUCH easier. I don't know much about em but plenty here do.

Iirc the transmission bolt pattern is the same and all that.

The 3G Hemi is a great engine but hoooooo-leee crap, it isn't as cheap as you'd hope.
I looked at the costs to do an installation in a '70 Charger. The mounts and exhaust are the easy part. When you look at the front end accessory drive, the computer to run the EFI. the fuel system changes too...The swap can run $6000 IF you have a FREE engine.
The Coyote swap would be even more since so I suspect that very few people will have done this. There are clearance issues with exhaust, the entire front end of the engine, what transmission to use and how to not only mount it but to control it since every modern automatic is computer controlled.
The "dare to be different" crowd had been dealt a massive blow in terms of swapping in newer engines due to the complexity of fuel injection and ignition.
 
Stick with the 318, and use an aftermarket fuel injection system. A lot cheaper, and a less of a headache compared to swapping in a Coyote engine. The only coyote welcomed by Mopar enthusiasts under the hood of a Mopar, is the Coyote Duster decal:

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Welcome aboard! Get newer 5.2/5.9 with FI. Unless you like problem solving(another term for creating and then curing headaches lol)
 
Thanks, I didn't realize that I would be opening up such a can of worms, I didn't actually think that I would try to do that swap I had always planned on a 340 but was just curious about the 5.0 because I had seen it mentioned on this forum before. I plan to be more careful with my choice of questions from now on.
my apologies I do love the forum.
Your car your way!
 
Is this not a site to ask questions? maybe I misunderstood what its all about.
If you have to ask then I know you can’t do it on your own. Take it to someone else so the swap will actually work. Go at it yourself and it’ll probably be sold as an abandoned project.
Be prepared to pay through the nose because even those who could do it are going to have to spend countless hours doing custom fab work.
 
small block mopar:
  • 24" wide
  • 29" long
  • 27" tall
5.7 hemi:
  • 24" wide
  • 28" long
  • 34" tall (stock pan/manifold)
yote:
  • 29" wide
  • 26" long
  • 27" tall
gonna be a tight fit...
 
the main question you gotta ask yourself is how good can you weld??

If you are good at melting metal, then you should be good to go and i personally would like to see what you are proposing to do.

I used to be a diehard purist but the harsh reality is that in 2024, building a high power Mopar takes huge money and is real cookie cutter because everyone who can afford it is doing the same ol song and dance.

If you want to hot rod, you really gotta think outside the box and work with what is available in the age of 10 year and newer pick a part lots and the old stuff being pretty much GONE!. The good old days of 50 dollar 360s, 300 dollar 340s, and 400 dollar running 440s are just GONE!!

I have recently conceded to the fact that 8.8 rear end swaps are a superior option to high dollar and super rare original stuff in cars that i want to be cheap with and just drive.

Get it running with the engine of your choice and Hot rod on ....... welcome aboard.
Thank you
 
Not exactly what I was asking about.
First of all, welcome to the site.
I guess by now you have figured out that most of us are a bit touchy about that. As mentioned by A/JFormS and RustyRatRod below, putting a Coyote engine in an A Body will be a monumental task. MONUMENTAL! The Coyote engine is an amazing engine. I can certainly understand your interest. However, you would run into dozens of problems that would require an expert fabricator, welder and mechanic. If you tackle something like this yourself, you better be really good at these tasks. If you pay to have it done, I hope you have DEEP pockets. Either way it will be a money pit. I understand wanting a modern, powerful engine. The Coyote is a very wide engine. I doubt it would fit without major surgery. I have a few suggestions. For a fraction of what it would cost to get the Coyote in there, you could:
1. Bump the 318 up to 350-375HP easily and add then modern fuel injection. The Holley Sniper unit with their ignition and a new fuel tank with a built in fuel pump would make the engine highly efficient. It would start, run and perform like a modern engine. The LA 318 is an AWESOME engine. Just ask @318willrun. I bet he has lots of stories about putting FI on a 318. PLUS, the 318 is already there. NO fabrication required. Just have it rebuilt to your desired specs (make sure you go with a roller cam) and then add the FI stuff. It would be a fantastic car, cost WAY less that the Coyote swap and be a very easy build.
2. Put in a modern Chrysler Hemi. That has been done a lot. You would have a large, built in support group here on this forum. Not only has it been done a lot, but there are also aftermarket parts available to help with the swap. It would be a great way to get modern EFI and power. Plus, if someone said, "Has it got a Hemi?", you can say YES.
3. Contact Blueprint Engines and ask about a stroked small block Mopar with FI. I bet they could hook you up with one that was ready to start and run. Blueprint is a sponsor on this forum, and they take really good care of us.

To be honest, I would recommend souping up your 318 with the Holley Sniper unit with their ignition and a new fuel tank with a built-in fuel pump. A 318 with 350-375 HP would be a fast little car that would be fun to drive and do wicked burnouts. A stroked small block could easily have a hundred more horsepower.

Let us know what you decide to do. Remember, it is your car, and you can do whatever you want with it.
Not to be rude, but that's a money-pit idea.
After the engine and trans are in and running and tuned, the rearend will need to go, new tires and wheels, upgraded suspension/steering/ and brakes. Then there's frame connectors, a 4-Link, and CalTracs. Then there is the hiway rpm, the hiway wind and body noises, and NVH (Noise/vibration/and harshness.)
Two years later, you got a 50Plus yo Dart-shaped Mustang, that nobody will ride-along with you in, cuz it rides like a truck..... and the worst of it is, you could have actually bought the Mustang for less, which will always have resale value, whereas the FrankenDarStang is yours forever..... lol
Jus saying.

Those engines are pretty wide with the 4 valve heads. The 72 Dart is wider than the pre 67 cars, so you have that going for you. Just measure, measure, measure. I'm just guessing, but I bet it'll fit. Ain't but one way to find out.
 
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