jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
Get the shitty headers that go under and over the steering linkage. then go back to the Doug's. Doug's will make your day after you go for about three drives and crimp the shitty bastards shut.
SmallBlock engine swap on a Mopar A-body with headers.... Never Again!
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Oogliboogli
Things that would help...
Headers bolted to exhaust pipes so that they stay put off to the sides.
Ratchet wrenches from craftsman, but really box end wrenches are the way to go with bell housing bolts.
Crescent wrench on oil filter adapter bolt or go underneath and use a 1/2 breaker with a 4"extension , it will just clear torsion bar and snug it , don't get carried away... it's 1/2 drive.
Starter is always time consumimg....so you have to approach it with that in mind.
Go ahead and ding the header above the idler because it will more than likely contact it.
Once it's all in....every future motor you put in will be cake in comparison to the initial fitting of the combo. I've done 5 different sb' s built more radical than the next , always go in easier than the first.
Those under link headers are the same amount of work getting in, except the pass side slips in easier than Doug's or tti...but they have no ground clearance and pinch close.
How much hp lost you think when 2 or 3 tubes get smashed? Lol
Headers bolted to exhaust pipes so that they stay put off to the sides.
Ratchet wrenches from craftsman, but really box end wrenches are the way to go with bell housing bolts.
Crescent wrench on oil filter adapter bolt or go underneath and use a 1/2 breaker with a 4"extension , it will just clear torsion bar and snug it , don't get carried away... it's 1/2 drive.
Starter is always time consumimg....so you have to approach it with that in mind.
Go ahead and ding the header above the idler because it will more than likely contact it.
Once it's all in....every future motor you put in will be cake in comparison to the initial fitting of the combo. I've done 5 different sb' s built more radical than the next , always go in easier than the first.
Those under link headers are the same amount of work getting in, except the pass side slips in easier than Doug's or tti...but they have no ground clearance and pinch close.
How much hp lost you think when 2 or 3 tubes get smashed? Lol
Well, according to the Engine Masters video, smash the header tube and dyno test video, nothing.....
TTI makes a great adapter, to adapt headman b-body to their 3" exhaust when installing a low deck big-block in an a-body.
I know this is no help to the op. but, with minimum amount of mechanical skills, of any kind. lol basic hot rodding. lol
it makes an affordable, workable exhaust system for low deck big block swap with manual steering.
GTS Dave
You're born free, then you're taxed to death.
When I put Doug's on my duster, we spent 4 hours trying to get them in on driver's side. THEN, we discovered that the last pipe was supposed to be removed from the collector BEFORE installing the front three pipes. After the front 3 bolted in, only then does pipe 4 go in around the torsion bar and back in to the collector.. Took 15 min..
MOPAROFFICIAL
Oogliboogli
No, it took 4hrs and 15 minutes. Lol
Last swap i did, 69 dart with spool k frame, i used the Summit el cheapo headers and hated every minute of it. Wicked horrible fit and install. Absolutely the worst headers i had ever used. I'll stick with the cheap Hooker or Headmans, which have always been a breeze to install.
Truth, here....
Whoa! That is the exact opposite of my experience!
No joke, best fitting el’cheapo header I have had to date is the Summit header. My Hookers. We’re 1 minor dent. Hedmans needed many dings.
Black Jacks needed a pair of string men from the circus with the mallets.
No joke, best fitting el’cheapo header I have had to date is the Summit header. My Hookers. We’re 1 minor dent. Hedmans needed many dings.
Black Jacks needed a pair of string men from the circus with the mallets.
Yeah, i spent a many hours with a torch rebending tubes, clearancing the steering shaft and box. Mini starter that barely fit. Scratched fresh paint in the engine bay... man was I ever livid.
TTI's, Hookers and Headmans go in like hot knife through butter. I've installed dozens of headers in my lifetime. Worst ever. Maybe they were boxed wrong or something happened during manufacturing.
Black Jacks needed a pair of string men from the circus with the mallets.
Yeah, i spent a many hours with a torch rebending tubes, clearancing the steering shaft and box. Mini starter that barely fit. Scratched fresh paint in the engine bay... man was I ever livid.
TTI's, Hookers and Headmans go in like hot knife through butter. I've installed dozens of headers in my lifetime. Worst ever. Maybe they were boxed wrong or something happened during manufacturing.
j par
Well-hung Member
Are you kidding me! All he knows is what his mechanic told him. He doesn't take motors in and out he pays people to do that. He doesn't get dirty and greasy he's too good for that. So all he can possibly know is what his mechanic told him as always. Just repeating information not really knowing for a fact.
MOPAROFFICIAL
Oogliboogli
I'd like to see something specific like a 410 sb that turns 6800 or so , real heads,with 1 5/8 deemed to be generally "too small" headers...then smash on those and tell me how the upper rpm range is effected.
That's depending on airflow camshaft , and real compression, wouldn't it ?
I await your videos!!!
They did do a header test on tube size.
Yes! I know, 1 test doesn’t fit all.
318 out...
340 in....
Install the headers loosely in the engine compartment before dropping the engine in, we used string to hang it from master cylinder and passenger shock tower until the engine was close enough to install it...
Have starter on before header...
You leave the right side header off to get some wiggle room and install the left side 1/2 way in...
Then slide the passenger side on...
Then check both sides to be sure that you're centered... We had to bang on the left one a little to ding it for the steering shaft....
No problem...
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stroked340
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That's right you know NOTHING I've done many an engine swap in my years..now I can afford to have PROFESSIONALS do work I don't want to..once again don't be jealous just cause' your still rolling around in the dirt working on that jalopy
j par
Well-hung Member
Like the "PROFESSIONAL" who put the two bolts in your thermostat housing! LOL Bahahaha....That's right you know NOTHING I've done many an engine swap in my years..now I can afford to have PROFESSIONALS do work I don't want to..once again don't be jealous just cause' your still rolling around in the dirt working on that jalopy
HONESTLY I REALLY DON'T CARE I JUST LIKE PULLING YOUR CHAIN....
stroked340
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j par
Well-hung Member
ME!!!!???Oh man you are so P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C.
j par
Well-hung Member
^^^^good Lord!
Anyways back to the subject- I 110% agree with krazykuda that's exactly the way I've ever done it after doing it once or twice. I just usually use a small Loop of bailing wire from the driver side header around to the shock sticking out.
Anyways back to the subject- I 110% agree with krazykuda that's exactly the way I've ever done it after doing it once or twice. I just usually use a small Loop of bailing wire from the driver side header around to the shock sticking out.
Dougs with a removable tube??? Must have been a REALLY old set of headers.
tti come apart. Current dougs offerings do not.
MOPAROFFICIAL
Oogliboogli
GTS Dave
You're born free, then you're taxed to death.
Yep, Doug Thorley's, circa 1972!
I also have a set up Hedmans here right now, brand new and the tube is also separate..
Dartswinger70
Well-Known Member
Last time I did an A body swap with headers, I remember dropping the passenger side header in right along with the engine, as in I lowered the engine hoist with one hand and guided the header with the other. I rtemember leaving the drivers side in, as the steering goes through it, (Headman hedders)I have since went back to 340 Manifolds, they make life easier. Not Race car, I know, but headers are a PITA on these cars.
D.Coulter
67SuperFish
sorry to hear that bro, but its part of the game ...at least its a Mopar could be one of those "other cars" long live the mopar. amen
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