I have a 40KV ground mount system that I own. Bought outright. 20 year expected life span. If you were to finance the system, about 40 grand, it would just about pay for itself in the 20 years. No free lunch...
Solar Panels, for CIVIL discussion
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dartindanno
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Here is my math based on my electricity cost last year. A $40,000 system would take me personally almost 36 years. Cost to payoff ratio is not in my best interest
I've had solar on my roof for 4 full years now. 27,600 initial costs minus 45% donated from my Fed and State rebates 12,420 dollars. that's 15,180 I have to pay. My 1897 2.5 story Victorian used to cost me 225 in the summer to cool. Now I cool it for less than 100 and most summer Months 35 bucks. I installed a heat pump with another rebate offered andI now also heat my house with them for all but the coldest days. Got a lifetime warranty on the Amana heat pump. My panels have made more electricity every year so far. Weather patterns I assume. My pay back was set to be a 7 year plan. Then we got Bidenflation on the energy. Electricity costs went up and I'm now looking at a 5.5 year payoff. They aren't perfect but they have served me well so far.
There is a ton of energy used and a lot of pollution created to make these panels. For that reason and the fact that I hate the CCP I bought American made panels. Since saving the planet was the main goal I felt it a bad idea to buy panels made in China the globes number one polluter and a top 3 Nation for slavery TODAY. Also putting them on a fossil fuel ship for 3,000 miles kind of defeats the whole green thing. The USA panels cost me over 4,000 dollars more but since my fellow Americans helped pay for my panels I felt obligated as a patriot to buy panels that helped employ the good folks that assisted in my purchase.
I do NOT think that all solar or all electric is the future but is will be part of it and in many instances they do wonders. If they would jus t STOP forcing it and let it earn it's way people would resent them less.
As far as the fields of panels......Who on earth thinks that clear cutting trees and fencing the area off from humans and wildlife is GREEN???
This. I now have another 200 a month in the summer to buy gas to drive my bored, stroked, rammed and injected MOPAR around the country. ;)
So it only makes financial sense when you neighbors pay for some of it?
....just giving you a hard time. Yes, if energy rates increase faster than the cost of panels and batteries it might make more sense in the future. Up north here the benefits are not year round.
Yes and I was very clear about that and about appreciating the assistance. If you followed my math and I have it all documented you can see that the system would have paid for itself in 12 to 15 years without a rate increase and without assistance from anyone. But the Gov was throwing money around and I can count. So I figured I would take advantage of the situation and do it as responsible as possible. So no they don't only make since when your neighbors pay for it but it makes much more financial sense.So it only makes financial sense when you neighbors pay for some of it?
On my system they installed a power meter that goes both ways. It monitors the energy I use from the grid and it monitors the energy I send to the grid. When the solar panels make electric the system monitors the voltage from the street and then sends it from the panels to the breaker box at a slightly higher voltage. This higher voltage is like a switch as all of your energy devices will use the higher voltage first as it is more efficient and any unused energy is released into the grid. The energy sent back into the grid is a slightly higher voltage and your closest neighbors will use your energy before they use the energy from the power company.
At the end of the month I pay what I got from the grid after they deduct what i sent to the grid. In the summer I make more energy than I use so the power company banks it in my account. Every month that stored energy is credited to my account and on April 1st every year if I have any energy in the bank they send me a check for the balance.
Hope this helped.
Do you have a battery? My friend says his was over $20k (Tesla) and has a lifespan of around 10 years. Its nice to have free power when its cloudy or dark assuming the panels generate enough to charge them
I do not have a battery back up. I have a generator with an outlet hard wired from the outside of my house to the breaker box. You MUST switch off the main breaker, slide a safety bar up and then flip the generator breaker on. So I use the solar all day and the grid all night. I don't think the batterys to power a house are clean, efficient manner of storing energy at this point.Do you have a battery? My friend says his was over $20k (Tesla) and has a lifespan of around 10 years. Its nice to have free power when its cloudy or dark assuming the panels generate enough to charge them
67Dart273
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What exactly is this supposed to mean?
Same with the schools, same with maintenance of the city's ect. Same with the trillions sent to the big oil company's over the years. We live in a society. I know people that paid for schools for 40 years and have zero kids. And when my panels are cooking I power my neighbors house also reducing the stress on the grid. You're welcome. ;)
Very interesting!
Big oil does not get "sent" trillions... it gets some tax breaks.
Big oil can exist without the tax breaks.
Solar fails minus the subsidies and tax breaks.. every time.
Pimping a technology that cannot stand on it's own 2 feet after decades seems like a losing proposition for all involved.
Comparing funding of public schools to the gubberment picking winners and losers in private sector business is ignorant at best and dishonest at worst.
Rat Bastid
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Nice. So we taxpayers are subsidizing YOUR electric bill.
Think about that for a minute and tell me that Karl Marx wouldn’t be proud of that ****.
Tell that to every large Corps in America that pays zero taxes please. Yes the big oil HAS had trillions over the years given to them. And that is NOT counting the funds they have spent to eliminate ANY and ALL competition. In 1920 over half of NY cabs were electric until big oil got involved.
I'm not a hater of big oil but honesty matters.
Public schools educate private citizens. Private citizens pay for public schools. Not everyone has children. How exactly is it different? You take one persons money and give it to another. You just want control over the who's. I did not create the tax benefits for solar. But i'm not so pig headed that I will not use them.
I'm shocked at all the haters of solar. Honestly, I figured folks would have a bigger issue with that money being used to buy China panels and support the CCP's quest for world domination.
If you want fair. The Fair comes here in August. Be there, anything else that is fair is a blessing not an obligation in life.
The only way to recoup your taxes, IF you pay any taxes. Is to buy some panels yourself.. Then you will be smart rather than a smart ___.
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For the kids that didn't go to school. The thread title is.
You either have something to add to this subject or your just bitching which isn't productive and isn't very civil.
Solar Panels, for CIVIL discussion. CIVIL, CIVIL.
You either have something to add to this subject or your just bitching which isn't productive and isn't very civil.
Large corps that pay 0 taxes... good for them! Only jealous I cannot find a way to do the same.
Again.. "big oil" does not get sent taxpayer monies, they get some tax breaks. It's not the same thing.
EV's fail because gas vehicles do the job better... period. The better technology won since 1920 according to your dating.
I'm not a hater of solar.. I just abhor continually having to pay to support an industry that would not exist without massive subsidies, tax breaks and straight up cash handouts of taxpayer $$.
Never mentioned the word "fair" in my entire post.. have a good time flogging the strawman.
Rat Bastid
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Im not for subsidizing anyone or any corporation.
I can’t say more than that or it will get moved to N&P but if you think what you have going is conducive to a free, civil society I suggest you do a two year, college level study of history.
What you advocate is marxism and nothing less. It’s failed every time.
You can dress up your tax payer subsidized power bill all you want. It’s still WRONG.
But are you including increased property value and tax incentives into your calculations? Let alone being much closer to accommodate next generation panels?
There are panels that produce 3 to 5 times more current than today's home panels. But of course the problem is cost. These panels are WAY too expensive today. And only science and engineering research use. Like NASA.
Solar is going to win. But will it be in our lifetime to feel the benefits? That is a legitimate question.
I am not advocating for anything. Show me where I did. What do you have to add to the subject of solar panels? Because there are dozens of threads on finances. There is not a person on here that does not understand that the panels are subsidized.
Tell me you don't take tax breaks that you don't agree with that are legal. I take advantage of whatever I can even If I would vote the subject down. If I send you your portion of my solar panels to you would you move on so people can focus on the advancements made in the industry?
Again.. never used the word "fair" in entire post. You needed to inject it to construct the strawman argument you heroically thrashed. Cudos!
Do go on about "money given and money not received" being the same, economic illiteracy is a thing.
I guess I did mess up the fair part. That was other posters.
So my panels are on pace to pay for themselves in 5.5 years. If I did NOT take the tax credits my payoff time frame would be 14 years. With my panels guaranteed to produce over 85% of their max energy after 25 years. How exactly is the solar industry NOT able to stand on it's own as some have claimed? And that's with me buying American made stuff. Had I bought CCP panels the payoff for me and you folks would be much sooner subsidized or not.
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