Speedmaster MidRise Air Intake Manifold

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318willrun said:
I wonder if these manufactures ever read these forums.... :realcrazy: I asked Johnny Mac to make intakes - magnum especially. And can we get a new one for 200 or less please???
Johnny Mac
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For $226 that's pretty cheap sent to your door. A lot of guys like to gasket match their manifolds anyways and aluminum's pretty easy to work with... Like they said toss a gasket up against it and if it doesn't match up send it back to Summit they'll send you another one. Likely they'll have another one on the way before you can even get yours in the Box..
 
j par said:
For $226 that's pretty cheap sent to your door. A lot of guys like to gasket match their manifolds anyways and aluminum's pretty easy to work with... Like they said toss a gasket up against it and if it doesn't match up send it back to Summit they'll send you another one. Likely they'll have another one on the way before you can even get yours in the Box..
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Shouldn't have to. Todays technology you should get a quality intake for your $$. Grab bag boxes are for carnivals.
 
318willrun said:
Shouldn't have to. Todays technology you should get a quality intake for your $$. Grab bag boxes are for carnivals.
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I agree this day in age they should have things a little more down pat... Again you kind of get you a pay for but I'm don't mind doing a little fiddling and saving half of my money. Some people have that kind of money or they just buy the real expensive stuff and even at that there's no one hundred percent guarantee. You may have to send that back who knows..
 
j par said:
I agree this day in age they should have things a little more down pat... Again you kind of get you a pay for but I'm don't mind doing a little fiddling and saving half of my money. Some people have that kind of money or they just buy the real expensive stuff and even at that there's no one hundred percent guarantee. You may have to send that back who knows..
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That's just it, when it comes to intakes, a lot of folks complaining about the eddy's, weiand's, along with speedmasters. Shame.
 
318willrun said:
That's just it, when it comes to intakes, a lot of folks complaining about the eddy's, weiand's, along with speedmasters. Shame.
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Maybe next life will be born in a perfect world...
All hot rod stuff will bolt on no problem and different manufacturers of all these different aftermarket products we try to bolt together will work perfect...
I can hardly wait..
 
j par said:
Maybe next life will be born in a perfect world...
All hot rod stuff will bolt on no problem and different manufacturers of all these different aftermarket products we try to bolt together will work perfect...
I can hardly wait..
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Here is my problem with all this. IF you pull apart the modern day muscle, the fitment is pretty impressive. The quality control in the plants are there and they don't accept this kind of mis-alignments from their suppliers. So why can't these aftermarket suppliers QA be more involved, fix the process.
 
318willrun said:
Here is my problem with all this. IF you pull apart the modern day muscle, the fitment is pretty impressive. The quality control in the plants are there and they don't accept this kind of mis-alignments from their suppliers. So why can't these aftermarket suppliers QA be more involved, fix the process.
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The manufacturers for us are onesie twosie..
But when you're competing for millions and billions...
 
We would literally need to band together which ain't going to happen. but the manufacturer of cars have the power of their entire fleet getting their product...
 
70 Buster 340 said:
CAD, lasers, 3d modeling, robotics .... How the hell did they get worse at making this stuff?
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That's why machines don't build houses. It takes a human eye" not a cockedeye " to assure assembly , quality and tolerances are met.
Quality goes as far as the people running the machines. Take a look around you. Do you like what you see. lol
 
And why are we still sand casting intakes out of Aluminum? Injection molded glass-fiber polypropylene: Cheap, perfect every time and no heat soak issues. Look at any new OEM intake nowadays. Man, you could 3d print one if you could get a material that would hold up thermally and a big enough bed.
 
I don't think I have ever laid an intake gasket on a stock head that didn't have a little core shift.

Also, to get the fit right, I "high tack' the gaskets to the head. I then sit the intake on to mark where each gasket is going to be, in relation to the intake, on each side of the intake. Sometimes the left/right sides of the intake are off in relation to the heads as they sit on the block.

You can also see if you need to mill some off of the intake surface while your'e at it.


Although some won't agree, I like to make the ports on the intake a little larger than the heads.

I do agree with the fact that older intakes are usually closer than newer stuff, as long as they have not been butchered by a previous owner.

When I was a kid, in the 80s, I bought a new name brand intake that was too narrow for a 360 I had built. I blamed the intake, but now that I have messed with a lot of LAs, I bet the block height was taller than spec. That was when I was young and "KNEW" everything.





















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motorpirate said:
Ours was on EQ's.
Put an old Eddy 318/360 intake on as a test, it lined up perfectly, but killed the performance. View attachment 1715419317
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That is a crazy picture. MY Edelbrock RPM for my 5.9 Magnum is way way better than that I did t even bother to gasket port match the runners. What I see is totally insane!
 
j par said:
Ford junk...
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Was working on a customer's Ford all day. Running the cables and wires to the battery in the back... 69 Ford Wagon we're turning into a drag car.. he's got a 4-speed setup with a v-gate. right now he has a 302 with Edelbrock heads but I'd like to talk him into a big block for that wagon.. all who disagreed with me I was just busting triple R's nuts...
 
fishmens67 said:
That's why machines don't build houses. It takes a human eye" not a cockedeye " to assure assembly , quality and tolerances are met.
Quality goes as far as the people running the machines. Take a look around you. Do you like what you see. lol
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This is a succinct and great post! How can it be the machines fault? I will expand/rant later. J.Rob
 
j par said:
Was working on a customer's Ford all day. Running the cables and wires to the battery in the back... 69 Ford Wagon we're turning into a drag car.. he's got a 4-speed setup with a v-gate. right now he has a 302 with Edelbrock heads but I'd like to talk him into a big block for that wagon.. all who disagreed with me I was just busting triple R's nuts...
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Did you tell him to at least buy a Clutch Tamer?? He will need it.
 
RustyRatRod said:
You get what you pay for. Pay for ****. Get ****.
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Gotta agree. ALTHOUGH there will be times that a name brand part from a company like Edelbrock will not be right, the odds are much better that they will be much better quality than the Chinese stuff. By the same token, there will be times that the cheap Chinese stuff will be equal quality to the name brand. HOWEVER, I am sure that 90% of the time, the name brand will be much better quality. So I tend to read the customer ratings with a skeptical eye. Also, if a company like Edelbrock starts getting complaints about a certain flaw in a certain part, I can guarantee that they will fix the flaw in their manufacturing process, and they will likely be happy to take care of any customers who got a bad part. I realize that not everyone can afford to spend top dollars on top quality parts, but I think we are hard pressed to disagree that chances are you will get higher quality by paying more for name brand parts. Be my guest and disagree if you want.
 
RustyRatRod said:
You mean like this? Oh wait that's for a Chevy. lol

AFR - Airflow Research 4801: Titon TXR Intake Manifold Small Block Chevy | JEGS
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exactly, although that markup seems to be about 500%. It looks modular for different tops? That stuff is not that expensive to produce, although the R&D is probably more expensive than a sand cast core and cope and drag box. I remember seeing a fiberglass Tarantula intake being tested in an old mag compilation book as the cast one wasnt out yet, seems almost doable.
 
harrisonm said:
Gotta agree. ALTHOUGH there will be times that a name brand part from a company like Edelbrock will not be right, the odds are much better that they will be much better quality than the Chinese stuff. By the same token, there will be times that the cheap Chinese stuff will be equal quality to the name brand. HOWEVER, I am sure that 90% of the time, the name brand will be much better quality. So I tend to read the customer ratings with a skeptical eye. Also, if a company like Edelbrock starts getting complaints about a certain flaw in a certain part, I can guarantee that they will fix the flaw in their manufacturing process, and they will likely be happy to take care of any customers who got a bad part. I realize that not everyone can afford to spend top dollars on top quality parts, but I think we are hard pressed to disagree that chances are you will get higher quality by paying more for name brand parts. Be my guest and disagree if you want.
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Yes, and as much as people just love to brag about Edelbrock being "MADE IN USA", IMO that's become the issue. They are NOT any longer. Edelbrock's quality has been slipping a long time and it coincides directly with the industry outsourcing timeline. That's not a coincidence. I don't know what the law says there, but I believe only a "part" of a company's products have to be made here in order for them to make that claim. So for example, if Edelbrock is using an offshore foundry for instance and having their final machining process finished here, then there you go. The port misalignment on some of these intakes is disgraceful workmanship. For Mopar guys, that's doubly so, because all our Edelbrock intakes START at about $300 and go UP, so we're paying a premium for craptastic parts. They aren't gettin my money. I'll make do with 30 plus year old parts that I know are cast RIGHT before I take a chance on something inferior. Remember the old adage "new doesn't mean good".
 
fishmens67 said:
If they make one for Mopar sb , nobody would buy it. Mopar guys only want to spend a couple hundred bucks. lol
I paid 150 bucks for a brand new B block street dominator 40 years ago. lol still use it.
I would pay whatever the cost for a good intake.
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I tend to agree......though there would be a select few would buy them, for the most part, Mopar guys would avoid them like the plague, because most Mopar guys want 100 dollar parts.
 
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