Hearing the bendix rapidly clicking like that, leads me to think not enough power to engage it to start.
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dukeboy440
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Thats not an open circuit!
If that's what's happening with the NSS hooked up, then the NSS is working fine, and the relay is working.
Do you mean starting the NSS terminal grounded, then you could say bypassing the NSS.
tests fine - what voltage? also could be a dead cell that gets pulled down while cranking
Also, I am not sure on if it would crank with the NSS open. I guess I need that explained on these cars. Does it allow crank, but no ignition? Even so, the bendix isn't engaging
zkx14
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78F and extremely humid… Just gathered a few things from the garden. Best crop of beans ever for me. Did climbers again. Same set up as last year with 2 posts and strings hanging between. Different seeds. Lots of nice beans with no strings 
I don't think we know that for sure. Are you referring to the 12.7 V after charging? That's an indicator, but doesn't really test how strong it is. A better test is with a hydrometer, and the best test is under load.
A crude way to check power under load is charge the battery, then watch the battery voltage while it turns the starter. If its above 9.5 V it should be good enough to do the job.
So then the problem is the wiring?
Lets hope new is good but we know thats not always so.
dukeboy440
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No no no what I said above was two separate points. I took the NSS out and tested it as you said, same message as before.
The video is of it cranking with the NSS wire grounded to the firewall.
dukeboy440
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Is there a way to check the voltage at the relay with this multimeter?I don't think we know that for sure. Are you referring to the 12.7 V after charging? That's an indicator, but doesn't really test how strong it is. A better test is with a hydrometer, and the best test is under load.
A crude way to check power under load is charge the battery, then watch the battery voltage while it turns the starter. If its above 9.5 V it should be good enough to do the job.
So then the problem is the wiring?
Lets hope new is good but we know thats not always so.
That looks awsome! You did great!78F and extremely humid… Just gathered a few things from the garden. Best crop of beans ever for me. Did climbers again. Same set up as last year with 2 posts and strings hanging between. Different seeds. Lots of nice beans with no strings
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The string beans I grew did well at first after the first harvest, leaves started going white. Bush beans. Going to pull the plants out this week. Maybe today. Had a difficult time with the cukes too.
dukeboy440
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Yep, new is not always good.I don't think we know that for sure. Are you referring to the 12.7 V after charging? That's an indicator, but doesn't really test how strong it is. A better test is with a hydrometer, and the best test is under load.
A crude way to check power under load is charge the battery, then watch the battery voltage while it turns the starter. If its above 9.5 V it should be good enough to do the job.
So then the problem is the wiring?
Lets hope new is good but we know thats not always so.
Well it seems the wiring from the battery to the relay and the realy to the solenoid is ok.
For some reason the relay must be choking the power to the solenoid.
My gut is to blame the relay, but you could test the feed through the key switch to the S2 terminal.
I'm tempted to extract the troubleshooting string out of the chat for future reference....
Maybe the grounding is poor. See above TMM was asking about that.
Maybe instead of grounding the relay G terminal to the firewall, temporarily ground it to the battery neg?
Maybe instead of grounding the relay G terminal to the firewall, temporarily ground it to the battery neg?
Jumping like this would test the relay's ability - assuming terminal G has a good ground.
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Inside the starter relay
Key in start, NSS grounded, the electromagnetic field closes the switch from the Battery to the Solenoid.
I really don't think the connection in the relay can be anything by open or closed. Not sure its possible to have a weak connection due to low current from the key switch o poor ground, but I guess it depends on how its built.
Key in start, NSS grounded, the electromagnetic field closes the switch from the Battery to the Solenoid.
I really don't think the connection in the relay can be anything by open or closed. Not sure its possible to have a weak connection due to low current from the key switch o poor ground, but I guess it depends on how its built.
dukeboy440
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Ok so making sure I’m following you. Connect the NSS to the battery(check), jump the two terminals above, then turn key to start?
Not quite.
Connect the NSS terminal to a good ground, which could be the battery negative clamp.
Then power the relay direct from the battery.
Connecting the BAT terminal to the I,
is just like powering the S2 wire when turning the key to start.
Testing for proper shifter adjustment, hold key in crank whilst moving shifter through all the gears. Its a pushbutton, it could be off kilter.
dukeboy440
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Gave up on the electrical gremlin for today. It was pissing me off too much. I got the new master cylinder installed, now I just gotta find where the heck I put the adjustable proportion valve.
zkx14
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Probably 6qts there and a couple qts a few days ago we took to my son’s place. LOTS more on the plants. Probably pick again Friday. I need to find the packet. I think they were Ferry Morse ? It’s one row maybe 9ft long. Bugs are thinning the leaves, but so far hardly any bites on the beans. I did put up a jap beetle trap cause they were doing a number on them early.
Love fresh green beans. I boil them to crisp tender, shock them in cold water and wrap 6 or so with a slice of bacon. On the grill they go. When the bacon is done the beans are perfect. No my photo but you get the idea.
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Everything looks better with bacon.
dukeboy440
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Oh snap. I just learned that my soon to be employer has a few people that were in Kabul as of Sunday, the company have yet to hear from them or the State Department. I don’t know them personally, they worked out of our Ohio facility
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