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yessss! 10 pages!! inject it straight into my veins!

some people out here just really exploring the dickhead space. god forbid somebody be taken to task for being an asshole.

i don't got a horse in this fight, but watching everybody keep ******* this chicken is quite delightful.
 
Newbomb Turk said:
Yup. My point from the jump.

The super expert didn’t even read the instructions.

They are clear enough for a high schooler to read and understand.

Then he calls Dave and says hey, your **** doesn’t fit. And Dave says **** it, this guy is over his head so he has him send them back.

Of course, now he’s double pissed at Dave because Dave didn’t whisper sweet nothings in his ear and tell him yeah, it’s my fault because the directions aren’t clear buddy.

I’ll give you a full refund and pay the freight and I’ll save the restocking fee because I didn’t make the directions clear.

Even though he could have wasted time and tried to help him over the phone, Dave said screw it send them back.

Makes perfect sense to me.

It’s clear who the inexperienced crybaby is.
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exactly what i'm thinking. some how it's Hughes problem these guys don't read instructions and have no clue?
 
Newbomb Turk said:
Yup. My point from the jump.

The super expert didn’t even read the instructions.

They are clear enough for a high schooler to read and understand.

Then he calls Dave and says hey, your **** doesn’t fit. And Dave says **** it, this guy is over his head so he has him send them back.

Of course, now he’s double pissed at Dave because Dave didn’t whisper sweet nothings in his ear and tell him yeah, it’s my fault because the directions aren’t clear buddy.

I’ll give you a full refund and pay the freight and I’ll save the restocking fee because I didn’t make the directions clear.

Even though he could have wasted time and tried to help him over the phone, Dave said screw it send them back.

Makes perfect sense to me.

It’s clear who the inexperienced crybaby is.
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Me, me, me, its me right? I'm the crybaby! I should probably just go jump off a bridge! Because some pussy talks a lot of **** on a forum! Please tell me to my face. Although I know you wouldn't, anonymity keeps you tough!
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
I've never had a SBM standard location head need modifying for standard location 1.6 rockers.
I've seen 3/8 push rods rub once in a while, improper spring diameter rub rockers, geometry kits that need the P.R holes pushed toward the intake/ V.C rail. The only things I really like from Hughes would be the Magnum 50 state legal fuel injection dual plane intake kit.
The rest, like they're cap girdles have been proven marginal at best
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Honestly, I haven't either. I was taking the high road to save on someone's feelings...
 
junkyardhero said:
yessss! 10 pages!! inject it straight into my veins!

some people out here just really exploring the dickhead space. god forbid somebody be taken to task for being an asshole.

i don't got a horse in this fight, but watching everybody keep ******* this chicken is quite delightful.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Babyblue66 said:
Me, me, me, its me right? I'm the crybaby! I should probably just go jump off a bridge! Because some pussy talks a lot of **** on a forum! Please tell me to my face. Although I know you wouldn't, anonymity keeps you tough!
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lol. You are the cry baby. You are a liar. You’ve been exposed. You don’t have the experience you claim. And you can’t read.

But you’ve got a friend in Jpar. That should make you very happy to have a like minded poser such as yourself to commiserate with.

BTW, I thought I was blocked because I’m suck a prick? Or maybe because I called you on your lying bullshit? I can’t remember.

Know this. I never said Dave wasn’t a prick.

What I said was the rockers FIT, but YOU didn’t read the simple instructions to learn you don’t have the skill to install them. That’s not Dave’s fault bro.

That’s on you. The crybaby lying poser.
 
Babyblue66 said:
Hey Dave called, he wants his dick sucked. Was asking for 9secRR.
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Nice. 9secRR didn’t say a WORD about anything that wasn’t true, and you attack him.

But you want us all to believe you called Dave and were as sweet as pie but here you are, going berserk on a guy with no axe to grind with you.

Like I said, you and Jpar could be brothers. Or sisters…because you never know these days.
 
The winter storm warning expired at 10: 00 am this morning it's been downgraded to a winter weather advisory for tonight and early tomorrow. lol
 
I wonder if the asshole in Dave could make him shove a camshaft up someone's *** when push comes to shove, who knows.
It's the internet or a phone line.
In most cases I'll defend the person not on the net or on the other end of the phone.
 
Kern Dog said:
You may not know it but I don't write in cryptic messages that require real deep interpretation. Most of the time, I'm pretty straightforward so when someone doesn't understand what I wrote, I start to question the intellect of other people.


What would you think if you saw a screen name of 9 second Road Runner coupled with a picture of their race car?
Me? I think of a guy that owns a fast race car and likely knows a LOT about making a car run fast and hard.
Look at the majority of other screen names and pictures of members. YOU are obviously operating at a higher level of engine performance than the average member here.
How can this be hard to understand?
To further explain....
We have two very different perspectives at play here....
1) The hard core gear heads (Including you) that have far more experience dealing with engines far removed from stock levels of performance.
2) The other guys (including me) that do dabble in the higher performance stuff but don't live and breath it at the same level as guys like you.
It appears to me that the #1 crowd gets along with Dave because they are of the same mindset whereas the #2 crowd annoys Dave sometimes and he isn't courteous enough to tolerate those that aren't as experienced.
It really is as simple as that.
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How do you know I have experience? I could be a guy that has a race car but do none of the work and pay people to do it for me?

Or I could just be the driver?

If my screen name said 13secRR and said I have no problems with Hughes would you have assumed I have experience?
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
Dave Hughes and Uncle Tony should do a collaboration together..
One yells ...while the other ***** his pants.
Dave can supply all his parts that need modifying to work... while Tony modifies them to unusable states of non returnable door stops.

It'll be great...
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Blahhaha, I can’t watch U.T. Anymore.. he starts a video, in 30 seconds he’s rambling off on to some other unrelated subject… then repeats himself 4 times.. then throws something.. the end!! I find myself just going “ what the hell was that?”. Kind of like this thread! lol.
 
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Bewy said:
Some engines will require clearancing for pushrods with higher ratio rockers. Hughes should include a note in the advertising so people know BEFORE they buy the rockers.
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Not just for the rockers, but other installs as well. Examples: length of some bolts during install, as in the timing cover. If nothing else, it's a courtesy and could mean a happy customer.
 
When I worked in a dealers Service dept we had a customer who came that there was no body better than him and had a real attiytude Then one day he came in with 2 black eyes and a bruised face It seem strange after that he was the nicest customer ever
 
10 pages of this and it comes down to this, plain and simple, dont be an asshole to people, be pleasant, be nice, is it that fricking hard to not be a dick?? Everyone has bad days, but if you are constantly a prick to everyone, then you need to reevaluate your life and attitude, I dont care who the **** you are or what the **** it is that you do. The Golden Rule applies to everyone.
 
I found this thread interesting as I had this same issue on my built 408 (which attracted me to this thread). And... I actually worked with Dave on correcting it. But I don't want to add anything from that angle (plenty have already), I want to add perspective from a business owners view.

While a lot of people are employees of great companies there is still a strong contingent of people that (like Dave) run their own gig (like me). It has its challenges Vs being an employee. Lots of challenges. Let me expand on that.

My place has been open since 1977. We have a lot of repeat customers, and plenty new customers each year (replacing those who move, or pass away etc.) I can imagine it is very much like Daves place... In all of those years - the last say 5 or 6 years have been different. How so? Well, here is an example or two.

I employ good people, but the "retail abuse" the staff endures these days is significant. In general customers have a chip on their shoulders it seems. It's like an us against them mentality recently. Why? I don't have that answer.

These customers want the appointment today - but we cant accommodate? How dare we! Then, we need to work with the problem more than one day? How is that so!? We call this phenomenon the "McDonalds Generation" as so many are conditioned to a drive-thru for everything.

Then the Internet. Now everyone can be an expert right? And they can all find what they need at a discount. Why is our price different they say, because after-all they found it on TEMU for less...

Oh & how about the ones that call for tech help, but then buy from some phone-bank that could not offer tech help to save their lives? You need help from experts, but if you can save four dollars you buy from some warehouse for the savings. When places like ours are gone, who will the tech-help come from? Can't we see the value in that?

I also run a very clean store, but these days customers have no regard for their actions to preserve that. It is almost like they work against the place. You can walk right up a sidewalk to come in, but they walk through the landscape & grass instead. So we put in a floor mat for their feet, but they skip the mat & carry in the debris almost purposefully. Also we have a perfect bathroom, but they go in & tear the place up. Towels, floors, soaps, filth. No regard in any way. A garbage can for the hand towels? Why use that? Additionally we offer a coffee machine, but if there aren't any sugar packets the employees are sure to hear about it. And we better stop what we are doing to fix that right now or there can be hell to pay with a Google review.

Now I have to employ a new person to keep up on all that. At a significant cost. 10+ years ago that was not the case. Sure there were occasional inconsiderate people then, but it seems like mass entitlement now has become the norm.

Anyhow, with that said my point is that things like that have become so standard that having a defense mechanism against them is pretty common. I can pretty much guarantee that more than half of whatever has to be handled in every day business are situations that will not result in positive revenue. That can have an effect on day to day operations. In fact.. Years ago I installed an electronic phone system that intercepts each phone call. We found that out of 100 calls a day we would see 60 of the 100 that were robo-calls, or sales calls - not related to simply doing daily business. An enormous time waste. A waste that we had to deal with each day ~ over & above the recent entitlement.

What does it all mean? As sad as it is, it may be that the people before you who have contributed to the deterioration of a nation conditioned the response that you received. I am not offering excuses for how it was handled, but instead a clearer vision of what we all are up against in society.
 
MichaelB. said:
I found this thread interesting as I had this same issue on my built 408 (which attracted me to this thread). And... I actually worked with Dave on correcting it. But I don't want to add anything from that angle (plenty have already), I want to add perspective from a business owners view.

While a lot of people are employees of great companies there is still a strong contingent of people that (like Dave) run their own gig (like me). It has its challenges Vs being an employee. Lots of challenges. Let me expand on that.

My place has been open since 1977. We have a lot of repeat customers, and plenty new customers each year (replacing those who move, or pass away etc.) I can imagine it is very much like Daves place... In all of those years - the last say 5 or 6 years have been different. How so? Well, here is an example or two.

I employ good people, but the "retail abuse" the staff endures these days is significant. In general customers have a chip on their shoulders it seems. It's like an us against them mentality recently. Why? I don't have that answer.

These customers want the appointment today - but we cant accommodate? How dare we! Then, we need to work with the problem more than one day? How is that so!? We call this phenomenon the "McDonalds Generation" as so many are conditioned to a drive-thru for everything.

Then the Internet. Now everyone can be an expert right? And they can all find what they need at a discount. Why is our price different they say, because after-all they found it on TEMU for less...

Oh & how about the ones that call for tech help, but then buy from some phone-bank that could not offer tech help to save their lives? You need help from experts, but if you can save four dollars you buy from some warehouse for the savings. When places like ours are gone, who will the tech-help come from? Can't we see the value in that?

I also run a very clean store, but these days customers have no regard for their actions to preserve that. It is almost like they work against the place. You can walk right up a sidewalk to come in, but they walk through the landscape & grass instead. So we put in a floor mat for their feet, but they skip the mat & carry in the debris almost purposefully. Also we have a perfect bathroom, but they go in & tear the place up. Towels, floors, soaps, filth. No regard in any way. A garbage can for the hand towels? Why use that? Additionally we offer a coffee machine, but if there aren't any sugar packets the employees are sure to hear about it. And we better stop what we are doing to fix that right now or there can be hell to pay with a Google review.

Now I have to employ a new person to keep up on all that. At a significant cost. 10+ years ago that was not the case. Sure there were occasional inconsiderate people then, but it seems like mass entitlement now has become the norm.

Anyhow, with that said my point is that things like that have become so standard that having a defense mechanism against them is pretty common. I can pretty much guarantee that more than half of whatever has to be handled in every day business are situations that will not result in positive revenue. That can have an effect on day to day operations. In fact.. Years ago I installed an electronic phone system that intercepts each phone call. We found that out of 100 calls a day we would see 60 of the 100 that were robo-calls, or sales calls - not related to simply doing daily business. An enormous time waste. A waste that we had to deal with each day ~ over & above the recent entitlement.

What does it all mean? As sad as it is, it may be that the people before you who have contributed to the deterioration of a nation conditioned the response that you received. I am not offering excuses for how it was handled, but instead a clearer vision of what we all are up against in society.
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I broke out in a cold sweat while reading your post. You’re not wrong. I was a business owner for over 30 years. Also kept a clean organized store.. can’t count the times someone would walk in with mud caked on there boots. Or instead of stomping off outside, walk in and wipe there feet on the inside rug, walk in with cork boots on Etc. also saw a massive attitude change in people the last 10 years really, especially after The Whoohan flu. I’m retired now, don’t miss it a bit. But you brought me back there!!! Damn, it’s too early to drink !! Haha!
 
I work at an independently owned Napa. The abuse that the counter people put up with is crazy. The people in business, like the men in post 246/247, are correct. "Hey you fixed my car 2 years ago, the light is on again and it is doing the same thing. I want it fixed now at no charge". Then you have the people that buy off the internet AND from you and return the internet part to you as they did not need it. OR, they try to return an installed part because it did not fix their problem. "This has been installed, well I did not do it, you must have sold it to me that way." Some of our commercial customers are that way because the "couldn't diagnose a ham sandwich or fix a tv dinner." The amount of right off is absurd. I set and listened to Dave many years ago, when the Mopar Nats moved to Indy the 1st year. I have stopped by and listened to him at the ICH swap meet and some of the stuff he spits out is unreal. Don't ask him a question in private as he will try his best to make you out a dumb azz.
 
it's very obvious the OP has a major attitude problem. just read his comments and that will explain it all. no wonder Dave said just send the rockers back.
 
MichaelB. said:
I found this thread interesting as I had this same issue on my built 408 (which attracted me to this thread). And... I actually worked with Dave on correcting it. But I don't want to add anything from that angle (plenty have already), I want to add perspective from a business owners view.

While a lot of people are employees of great companies there is still a strong contingent of people that (like Dave) run their own gig (like me). It has its challenges Vs being an employee. Lots of challenges. Let me expand on that.

My place has been open since 1977. We have a lot of repeat customers, and plenty new customers each year (replacing those who move, or pass away etc.) I can imagine it is very much like Daves place... In all of those years - the last say 5 or 6 years have been different. How so? Well, here is an example or two.

I employ good people, but the "retail abuse" the staff endures these days is significant. In general customers have a chip on their shoulders it seems. It's like an us against them mentality recently. Why? I don't have that answer.

These customers want the appointment today - but we cant accommodate? How dare we! Then, we need to work with the problem more than one day? How is that so!? We call this phenomenon the "McDonalds Generation" as so many are conditioned to a drive-thru for everything.

Then the Internet. Now everyone can be an expert right? And they can all find what they need at a discount. Why is our price different they say, because after-all they found it on TEMU for less...

Oh & how about the ones that call for tech help, but then buy from some phone-bank that could not offer tech help to save their lives? You need help from experts, but if you can save four dollars you buy from some warehouse for the savings. When places like ours are gone, who will the tech-help come from? Can't we see the value in that?

I also run a very clean store, but these days customers have no regard for their actions to preserve that. It is almost like they work against the place. You can walk right up a sidewalk to come in, but they walk through the landscape & grass instead. So we put in a floor mat for their feet, but they skip the mat & carry in the debris almost purposefully. Also we have a perfect bathroom, but they go in & tear the place up. Towels, floors, soaps, filth. No regard in any way. A garbage can for the hand towels? Why use that? Additionally we offer a coffee machine, but if there aren't any sugar packets the employees are sure to hear about it. And we better stop what we are doing to fix that right now or there can be hell to pay with a Google review.

Now I have to employ a new person to keep up on all that. At a significant cost. 10+ years ago that was not the case. Sure there were occasional inconsiderate people then, but it seems like mass entitlement now has become the norm.

Anyhow, with that said my point is that things like that have become so standard that having a defense mechanism against them is pretty common. I can pretty much guarantee that more than half of whatever has to be handled in every day business are situations that will not result in positive revenue. That can have an effect on day to day operations. In fact.. Years ago I installed an electronic phone system that intercepts each phone call. We found that out of 100 calls a day we would see 60 of the 100 that were robo-calls, or sales calls - not related to simply doing daily business. An enormous time waste. A waste that we had to deal with each day ~ over & above the recent entitlement.

What does it all mean? As sad as it is, it may be that the people before you who have contributed to the deterioration of a nation conditioned the response that you received. I am not offering excuses for how it was handled, but instead a clearer vision of what we all are up against in society.
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That and the Karen effect... If in the conversation about how service was not up to par, not the outcome they wanted, and the word "RUDE" is used... It's a Karen!

I've had customers chew me out for not accepting their desired payment method/approach. I politely say I'll pass on working with them. Or I suggest I'll be happy to take your desired payment if you cover all the losses, into 4 figures for all the product that was lost (BS)/stolen/chargedback over the years. Oh boy, the claws and fangs come out sometimes. Best one ever was the guy that bagged a harness from me saying not received and I saw his car at a show with an IDENTICAL harness.

The customer IS NOT always right contrary to old folklore.
 
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