Today, dollar for dollar, is the 318 faster than the 340 ???

[448Scamp]

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Again this is your opinion.

Many of us only want a street engine that lasts. I care less if it does 12 seconds. Snappy and fun to drive is all most fokes I know want.

You can put $15,000 in to a 340 and stick it in a $25,000 1970 Duster. While sitting at the light, a new 2021 Camero ZL-1 pulls up next to you. When the light turns green and you punch it with a smile on your face, the Camero driver thinks WTF, he wanted to race, punches it as you are still pulling away and he still beats you to the next light.He has about $65K in his car but it gets 20 MPG for his 650 Horses. He can jump in it and have a nice ride going 500 miles a day in comfort.

I have built a few engines since 1970 that have gone over 100,000 miles pulling heavy Pickup's, Vans and Class A/C motorhomes.

Mic everything out and replace as needed. If the oiled crank spins in the bare block new bearings that measured out good with just my hand on the snout, why line hone it. Most times when I am having the block delux degreased they deck the block a few thou, some more.

Where are you getting those numbers from. I posted the exact cost of machine work. You’re saying 15k. That’s made up nonsense. I said a 3k budget in 2021 dollars is silly. I posted actual numbers and you post something else.

 

[jammied]

My buddy would think you are running cobbled up junk if you had to alignbore a block especially if it ever spun a main. Or has any core shift. So quit running cobbled up junk you cheap b

 

[448Scamp]

correct? A side note I had a good friend who passed away a few years ago. He made his living building race engines on a national level . He wouldn't touch a block if it need line bored or if it had spun a main. For any kind of performance build He also wouldn't touch a block that had core shift out of his specs for any kind of performance build. Maybe and that's a big Maybe a grocery getter build He might use one of those blocks. He also designed all of his own camshaft profiles according to the flow bench numbers after he got done porting.

So let me see if I follow this thinking. A block comes in. A 40 year old block. With factory machining tolerances. And your guy says it needs a line hone so it’s junk? That is just dumb. Think about it before you type nonsense like that. And how did he set the main bearing clearances? The way you claim this guy did it, he would have to buy bearings, install them, measure the holes and grind each main bearing journal to that size. That would be a waste of time and money. Some of the stuff you guys post is just crazy. And the funny thing is you believe it.

 

[jammied]

Yep and he built national competition level engines that won 9n the round tracks and drag tracks.

When he built my 451 we went through 7 400 blocks before he found one that was within his specs

 

[448Scamp]

So at any rate you spend $1,800 on getting your 318 rebuilt to your specs in machine work , what do pistons cost $400? So with black Friday sales the intake, cam and carb would still be in the $3,000 area corret?

Wrong. Oil pump? Timing set? A new damper of some type because a 40 year old unit is worn out. What about rings? Now add in those heads. And the intake manifold. And a decent carb. Your 3k budget is in the rear view mirror.
I can see that some of you won’t admit that 3000 2021 dollars won’t build anything. And some of you admit you still build stuff like you did 35 years ago, and brag about it. That is a sad testimony to me. If you’ve been doing something for 35 years and haven’t found a way to improve what you do, you either can’t do it or you think you’re so good it’s good enough.

 

[jammied]

Align honed is different than align bored. Just so you know that. Kinda figured you couldn't figure that out. Figured I would help you out there Lil buddy

 

[jammied]

You do your own oil pump up. That's how that is

 

[448Scamp]

Yep and he built national competition level engines that won 9n the round tracks and drag tracks.

When he built my 451 we went through 7 400 blocks before he found one that was within his specs

What “specs”? So I guess every shop with a line hone is a sub standard shop, not capable of building decent engines. And what would you do to install aftermarket main caps? Just crazy talk.

 

[448Scamp]

Align honed is different than align bored. Just so you know that. Kinda figured you couldn't figure that out. Figured I would help you out there Lil buddy

Let me help you out buddy. I never said anything about line boring. Again, you make it up as you go, because you’ve been exposed. And a line bore will do the job if you know what you are doing buddy.

 

[jammied]

No it won't Lil buddy because if you have to align bore that means the block is crooked. And if the core shift is bad enough it causes hot spots in the cylinders. Sounds like you have been cobbled things since 1995. Sooner or later you will grow out of your teens

 

[448Scamp]

No it won't Lil buddy because if you have to align bore that means the block is crooked. And if the core shift is bad enough it causes hot spots in the cylinders. Sounds like you have been cobbled things since 1995. Sooner or later you will grow out of your teens

Nonsense. I will also add that all these blocks move around over time. That’s how the main line gets out. You still didn’t address how your guy set the bearing clearances. Did he rebuild connecting rods, because it’s the same thing? Did he hone the rods to get his clearance, because it’s the same procedure? Try again little buddy. You can be as condescending as you want. It won’t make you any smarter.

 

[jammied]

Lol see you still refuse to learn. You need to go hang out with some national level engine builders. Instead of throwing a bunch of money into a time bomb. I can tell right now the only thing you got for all the money you dumped into engines is bragging rights to how much you spent

 

[448Scamp]

Lol see you still refuse to learn. You need to go hang out with some national level engine builders. Instead of throwing a bunch of money into a time bomb. I can tell right now the only thing you got for all the money you dumped into engines is bragging rights to how much you spent

Yep. Money spent. Got it.

 

[fishmens67]

you said in another post that your engine would cost 10,000 to build and another 5,000 for even better parts,...i can build a engine i can be happy with for less than 3 grand and itll last a long while too...wont be no race car but wont be a turd ether!

I said that. lol I've also built service engines for much less.
My favorite pastime was the re-ring, bearing and gasket rebuild on big blocks, long time ago.
The big blocks haven't been produced for over 40 years now, so most big blocks are worn out and beyond the basic re-ring.
I could see a re-ring being a viable option on the roller small blocks though.

 

[fishmens67]

I guess some haven't priced out a set of Carillo rods or Callies crank. There went the budget by a bunch.

 

[jammied]

I seen some of the older Carillo rods self identify as 3 piece rods in 9,000 rpm small block chevy's lol

 

[Dave_J]

TROLL ALERT. Someones been reading a lot of books and then is now an Internet Expert and is now our 'STANDARD' bearer. If you do not do it 'HIS' way you are a cheapskate and should stop playing with tools.

Maybe everyone needs to go back and X every one of his posts too. This one will be X in a short time cus the EXPERT has a 3rd grader maturity.

 

[Dartswinger70]

Man, this thread still going? I still say 340,340,340...if that fails 360,360,360..if on an island and all ya have is 5.2 so be it...

 

[mygasser]

TROLL ALERT. Someones been reading a lot of books and then is now an Internet Expert and is now our 'STANDARD' bearer. If you do not do it 'HIS' way you are a cheapskate and should stop playing with tools.

Maybe everyone needs to go back and X every one of his posts too. This one will be X in a short time cus the EXPERT has a 3rd grader maturity.

i just got back to page 50 adding them but got bored, i then guess as i'm a cheapskate i don't do anything properly i even agreed with some of his posts (about torque) but they weren't really to do with this thread so don't count.

 

[448Scamp]

TROLL ALERT. Someones been reading a lot of books and then is now an Internet Expert and is now our 'STANDARD' bearer. If you do not do it 'HIS' way you are a cheapskate and should stop playing with tools.

Maybe everyone needs to go back and X every one of his posts too. This one will be X in a short time cus the EXPERT has a 3rd grader maturity.

Says the troll. I posted real numbers and showed dumb 3k budget and you don’t like it. That’s ok. Build cheap. It doesn’t bother me like me telling people to save their money and build something with value.

 

[448Scamp]

i just got back to page 50 adding them but got bored, i then guess as i'm a cheapskate i don't do anything properly i even agreed with some of his posts (about torque) but they weren't really to do with this thread so don't count.

LOL...mygasser is X’ing me hard. That’s too funny.

 

[Dave_J]

Says the troll. I posted real numbers and showed dumb 3k budget and you don’t like it. That’s ok. Build cheap. It doesn’t bother me like me telling people to save their money and build something with value.

But it must be bothering you so much that you keep spamming members posts.
Your posts are not informational, they are name calling childish trolling spam. Nice way to be a POST ***** too. Post 85 Trolling posts count up.

I am not TROLLING members posts on here, unlike you.

Maybe instead of X all 448's posts, just go back and report all his SPAM posts and let the Moderators sort this crap spreading out. Report mine too if you feel I am spamming.

 

[448Scamp]

But it must be bothering you so much that you keep spamming members posts.
Your posts are not informational, they are name calling childish trolling spam. Nice way to be a POST ***** too. Post 85 Trolling posts count up.

I am not TROLLING members posts on here, unlike you.

Maybe instead of X all 448's posts, just go back and report all his SPAM posts and let the Moderators sort this crap spreading out. Report mine too if you feel I am spamming.

Ok fool, how am I spamming a thread? I actually posted real costs. You’ve done nothing but shoot off your mouth about me. Why not post up what your local costs are and then we can see how your fantasy build lives up to the stupid budget. And that budget is what I’ve been against in this whole thread. Let see how you build a 3k anything in 2021 dollars. I’m sure 318WR appreciates all you slurpers helping him out. Report away sad troll.

 

[like_A_pike]

Did you even READ my parts list ????? I even gave you the post number.

• 730 for Speedmaster heads fully loaded shipped to my door. A dozen other FABO members bought them too... right from the company!
• 400 for the short block, is that unrealistic for a LA360?? It included a cam about like a factory 360 4bbl cam.
• RPM intake 2nd hand for like 150... can't remember exactly
• 2nd hand 750 dp, 150.

All fair market value. Yes, I have a carb to pan aluminum head small block mopar for 1450 that runs 12's with stock converter and 3.23's.

318willrun has a 5.2 in the 12 second thread that cost him less than half of what i've thrown at my old 340 and I am not in the 12 second thread.... the driver (me) is prolly most of the problem but the facts are da facts....

carry on boys don't let this thread get closed!!

 

[RustyRatRod]

did you read that post before replying and quoting it? he said 8-10k not 5-6k. but even at 5-6k some folks just don't have that money and are ok with the compromise being a 'cheapskate' brings. stop banging on about how it 'should' be done, we all know how it 'should' be done but we can't all afford it and that's it. people do what they can afford and it works for them. jeez!
to summarize, i agree that it 'should' be done how you say. but and it's a big but if the money's not there it's not there.

Ain't that the truth? I wish I could afford how it "oughtta" be done. I have to do what I have to do......or find another hobby. What would be the fun in that? I find it challenging to do it under the gun of a tight budget. For people who have the money, it's easy to just open the checkbook. But when you do basically the same thing on a strict budget, it's more rewarding.

Like when I recently rebuilt a little slant 6 electronic distributor and welded up and refiled the slots, put light advance springs in it and got it in ready to run shape. Not everybody can do it and not everybody wants to do it. Some people would just open their checkbook. I enjoy making something good out of something not so good and modifying it to suit my needs. It's a lot of fun and very rewarding. And a nice byproduct is, it saves me money.