1965 MMP's Barracuda Hemi swap! The Ever Changing Build

[MonkeyMadness]

Any news on when your car will be painted and back home? Kinda missing your build buddy and would like to see it on the road real soon.

NO.. ugh I have been super busy and actually leaving for Colorado on the 26th then off to Arizona. Was planning on hitting the paint shop for updates when I get back... Worried if I do it before I leave "It will be ready" but I won't be able to receive it, and will make the trip seem even longer.....! grrrr

Can't wait to see it in color either. A thought on using spare wire from tail light harness...will the gauge wire support the electrical load? Might consider new wiring to eliminate possible/potential issue and provide piece of mind. You can hide the new wiring. Had another thought for your OD on/off switch...what about a foot switch (similar to a dimmer hi/lo) you could wire to a small red LED that'll illuminate when not in OD. Just thoughts. Love the build.

Paint color OMGawd I know about a week ago the car was in final block sand and I'll tell you the thought of it woke me up out of the blue in the middle of the night. Wife thought I was crazy I woke her *** up just to asker if she thought we were making a mistake on the color? would the color be too much for the car and body line...??? lol
I thought about that too... and may still go that route I want it to be clean and look stock or natural what ever I do. I've been leaning toward a dash switch using a stock dash knob. You know kind like hidden in plane site sorta thing...
As for the wire and load I think I should be fine I using the wire size the pump requires. I just had to add it to the tail light harness. The only "tricky" part was using the open spot on the stock harness plug and getting flat blade connectors that will work with the harness plug male and female. This last step I haven't completed.

 

[Frodee]

NO.. ugh I have been super busy and actually leaving for Colorado on the 26th then off to Arizona. Was planning on hitting the paint shop for updates when I get back... Worried if I do it before I leave "It will be ready" but I won't be able to receive it, and will make the trip seem even longer.....! grrrr


Paint color OMGawd I know about a week ago the car was in final block sand and I'll tell you the thought of it woke me up out of the blue in the middle of the night. Wife thought I was crazy I woke her *** up just to asker if she thought we were making a mistake on the color? would the color be too much for the car and body line...??? lol
I thought about that too... and may still go that route I want it to be clean and look stock or natural what ever I do. I've been leaning toward a dash switch using a stock dash knob. You know kind like hidden in plane site sorta thing...
As for the wire and load I think I should be fine I using the wire size the pump requires. I just had to add it to the tail light harness. The only "tricky" part was using the open spot on the stock harness plug and getting flat blade connectors that will work with the harness plug male and female. This last step I haven't completed.

I'm sure the color will look good and fingers crossed it will be done when you get home.
BTY if you get in North Dakota on your travels let me know.

 

[MonkeyMadness]

Hello all, it been a while since I had any kind of a substantial update until today. So idle hands are the devil's workshop right? Well I'm proof of that.
So last night under much debate and procrastination... lol who am I kidding -- I got a full 5.7 Hemi swap kit ready to go! Motor, trans, harness, pre-programmed ecu, everything I need to swap into the barracuda -minis mounts and exhaust manifold.... **** I couldn't hand the money over fast enough... lol I'm soo bad at negotiating

So as I said in the first post of this build thread "But like most of my builds and idea's I tend to be completely all over the map"
I just want to make sure I hold true to that.

Now for the fun pictures.... I can't stop grinning..

 

[TT5.9mag]

Wait? What? So we are not going to see the supercharged magnum with home made intake come to fruition? That’s disappointing I really wanted to see that thing run.

 

[MonkeyMadness]

Wait? What? So we are not going to see the supercharged magnum with home made intake come to fruition? That’s disappointing I really wanted to see that thing run.

I would be lying if I said I was still going to continue with that progress. Crazy it's 95% done as a manifold application it only needs a map sensor installed drill n tap ( i have a srt4 2bar), brake booster vac line drill in tap, and front blower snout support built, and lastly a finale buttoning up of the manifold and install. i even have the blower oil for it. Once that's done anybody could mount it to a stock magnum with a FRP tune... I even have a swap harness if some one wanted to run efi.
Sad part of the whole build was I lost interest in the magnum. I've been low key looking for something different for a while now at one point I almost bought a B-block 383 to build and adapt the efi to and buy the BB bell housing conversion for the 46RE. I just couldn't find a 383 i liked.
I've been scanning for a hemi for a while now and when this option was presented to me I couldn't pass it up, the price was too-too good to walk way from...

I would be willing to sell the Blower set up with any or all the parts I have if someone really wanted it.

 

[Joe Mc]

MM I'm willing to bet you'll be happier with the 345 you got than with a 383. So much more refined, reliable, better engineered and "driveable" are the newer engines. Can't wait to hear it running.

 

[TT5.9mag]

Yea I can’t blame you for going the G3 route either. Those things with twins on em sneeze 800hp. So not casting judgement at all. But I really did like the modified beer barrel with a supercharger on top and would have liked to see/hear it run.

 

[Joe Mc]

TT I hear ya, me too. Was pretty crafty and for sure outside the typical. MM should you sell your creation, either to a fabo member please tell them to post about and if a non-member well.... tell them to sign up just because and of course si we can see how it turns out.

 

[DionR]

Sad part of the whole build was I lost interest in the magnum. I've been low key looking for something different for a while now at one point I almost bought a B-block 383 to build and adapt the efi to and buy the BB bell housing conversion for the 46RE. I just couldn't find a 383 i liked.

Glad you found something to keep your interest instead of just dropping the whole project. I think the G3 swap is going to cost you a lot of time and re-work, but better that than seeing it listed for sale in another year. Get'er done!

Honestly, only thing holding me back from doing something similar is funds. I loved my Challenger and would love to drop a similar motor in my Duster. Hard not to daydream about an Eagle with a 6.4 cam, I don't even need a full 6.4.

 

[moparmat2000]

MonkeyMadness I starting to sandblast them pulleys I bought off you a few years back. Been watching your build thread. Dont second guess the color, it will be fantastic.

 

[MonkeyMadness]

Glad you found something to keep your interest instead of just dropping the whole project. I think the G3 swap is going to cost you a lot of time and re-work, but better that than seeing it listed for sale in another year. Get'er done!

Honestly, only thing holding me back from doing something similar is funds. I loved my Challenger and would love to drop a similar motor in my Duster. Hard not to daydream about an Eagle with a 6.4 cam, I don't even need a full 6.4.

Sorry about that my build only seems stagnant cause the car has been in body shop jail for sooo long. once its home we'll be off to the races lickidy-split... Regardless of the motor I run with..
I also think the the fitment will be tough but once the car is back that will be the first thing worked out. I think the trans swap will be just alittle massaging to the forward tunnel. The the 545RFE is just a tad larger than the 46RE just behind the bell... BUT Are the same length and have the same mounting location SO! I may not even have to build a new trans mount!
As for the Motor I have found a few ozzy's who have been fitting the 6.4 and its tight and used stock K-members. Now I'm pretty sure I can shoe horn it in.. I'm on the hunt for a set of the larger jeep Log manifolds that are stream lined and surprisingly flow well'ish for a log manifold. I'm gonna wait to order anything before I get that motor in first and know what I'm working with... We'll see tho...

The first one is the 46RE that has been fitted to the car. The one be low is the 545RFE that will be mated to the hemi
These are the same length and have the mounting location in the on them is the same!

*65 Valiant Ozzy style. Used the stock K-member in this build
My biggest worry is the fitment of the fender wells on either side of the valve covers at the moment

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[moparmat2000]

The bottom pic the chassis is wider like a US spec 67-76. The upper one is the same width chassis as your barracuda. You can see the difference in the cowl vent.

 

[MonkeyMadness]

The bottom pic the chassis is wider like a US spec 67-76. The upper one is the same width chassis as your barracuda. You can see the difference in the cowl vent.

Aww I see it now. Nice catch, those dam ozzys said it was a 65.. Photo removed

 

[MonkeyMadness]

Here's 66 with stock /6 K-member jeep manifold and offset power booster.
Thanks for the photo @TheGreatGazoo

 

[MonkeyMadness]

***Just got an update from the body shop! Car is out of the booth and curing for a day or two then gets its stipe. Then a few more days for finial cure before cut, buff and polish before available pickup of Next Saturday
Dam soo excited!

 

[Frodee]

***Just got an update from the body shop! Car is out of the booth and curing for a day or two then gets its stipe. Then a few more days for finial cure before cut, buff and polish before available pickup of Next Saturday
Dam soo excited!

Sounds great ya got me excited to see some pictures when you get it home.
Gonna go fast from now till on the road I think.

 

[KosmicKuda]

Just read your entire thread on and off over the last 2 days.

..............well............at least your fuel tank will work.

What about the shifter? Maybe you can use it as a draft beer handle.
Now you have to be REALLY careful around the fresh paint.

I hope you get it running before deciding to swap in an electric Harley motor or something.

 

[MonkeyMadness]

Just read your entire thread on and off over the last 2 days.

..............well............at least your fuel tank will work.

What about the shifter? Maybe you can use it as a draft beer handle.
Now you have to be REALLY careful around the fresh paint.

I hope you get it running before deciding to swap in an electric Harley motor or something.

Electric motors NEVER! lol yes the tank now fits...

**Edit Reply: After further investigating I can run the stock gear selector with the 545RFE without the option of the "sport manual/matic" I also noticed my BPE harness does not have a provision for "sport manual/matic" stock shifter. It does have a OD on/ff provision. So i'm guessing the ECU has been tuned for this as well

Yes I think I'm going to hold off on any heavy work as long as I can, while I gather needed parts for this swap as well and interior stuff. I will do the little things like wiring body harness and brake lines. Route the fuel lines. the odd un fun stuff..

 

[JDMopar]

It might be a good idea to call Bouchillon Performance, and talk to Randy about the harness before you get too deep in. He doesn't use Hotwire to have his harnesses made. He has a guy that makes them for him, and if I remember right, they use an ECM from a Mexican Dodge pickup because they are easier to tune. Be careful moving that 545RFE around....those things are some heavy ****'s! Make an 833 feel like a feather!

 

[Joe Mc]

MM talk to paint shop and ask very important questions:
• how long before I can wax, what type do you recommend and not recommend.
• is it ok to put outside in sun to help enhance paint cure
• is it ok to just hose off with cool water if it get dusty when outside

I'd wait at least a week or two before you start attaching exterior things, trim, emblems etc. Let that paint cure really good. A guy I used to be friends with has a restoration shop and did a Camaro for a client, told the guy when he picked it up not to wax for at least a few weeks. The next week the guy brings the car back complaining about all these imperfections that just happened. Asked the guy if he waxed it, yes. What did you use, that new silicon stuff (this was back in 92 or so). Told guy he was told not to wax because although paint was hard it still cures over time and by sealing it he sealed the gassing off of the solvents (it was base/clear) and what he was seeing was paint pops, like tiny pin marks "everywhere". Car had to be scuffed and sanded with 2500 and reclear coated. He kept the car at the shop for over a month after reclear coated so guy wouldn't be tempted to wax it again. Guy paid for labor and materials to redo.

 

[MonkeyMadness]

MM talk to paint shop and ask very important questions:
• how long before I can wax, what type do you recommend and not recommend.
• is it ok to put outside in sun to help enhance paint cure
• is it ok to just hose off with cool water if it get dusty when outside

I'd wait at least a week or two before you start attaching exterior things, trim, emblems etc. Let that paint cure really good. A guy I used to be friends with has a restoration shop and did a Camaro for a client, told the guy when he picked it up not to wax for at least a few weeks. The next week the guy brings the car back complaining about all these imperfections that just happened. Asked the guy if he waxed it, yes. What did you use, that new silicon stuff (this was back in 92 or so). Told guy he was told not to wax because although paint was hard it still cures over time and by sealing it he sealed the gassing off of the solvents (it was base/clear) and what he was seeing was paint pops, like tiny pin marks "everywhere". Car had to be scuffed and sanded with 2500 and reclear coated. He kept the car at the shop for over a month after reclear coated so guy wouldn't be tempted to wax it again. Guy paid for labor and materials to redo.

YES SIR!
I will ask all of those and more. I'm scared of paint issues and don't want any reason for a gaf on my end.. Tuck Fhat...!

 

[MonkeyMadness]

It might be a good idea to call Bouchillon Performance, and talk to Randy about the harness before you get too deep in. He doesn't use Hotwire to have his harnesses made. He has a guy that makes them for him, and if I remember right, they use an ECM from a Mexican Dodge pickup because they are easier to tune. Be careful moving that 545RFE around....those things are some heavy ****'s! Make an 833 feel like a feather!

I will tomorrow, I have the day off and will set aside some time to call him.
Yes heavy! normally I heve-hoe trans around but this one I had help...

 

[MonkeyMadness]

It might be a good idea to call Bouchillon Performance, and talk to Randy about the harness before you get too deep in. He doesn't use Hotwire to have his harnesses made. He has a guy that makes them for him, and if I remember right, they use an ECM from a Mexican Dodge pickup because they are easier to tune. Be careful moving that 545RFE around....those things are some heavy ****'s! Make an 833 feel like a feather!

Hey JDMopar, So I called Randy and he was not nice on the phone which is screwed up because I was nothing but nice and just needed some info. He told me he didn't have time to talk to me and was just unpleasant to deal with so I came away with out and info on the kit and ECU setup. I also sent an email and a message through face book with no reply.. I'm not knocking the guy maybe he just had a bad day. But.....


*So not much of a update other than collecting parts and sorting out my harness and figuring out the small bits I'll need to get everything working
Super excited that my harness will plug into my Dakota Digital dash setup without splicing or cutting or running random wires not harness integrated. Should end up with a clean looking "stock" looking harness. Hacked harnesses are a pet peeve of mine I can't stand random wires here and there... Went through a did test fit of the harness on the motor trans and only have 3 wires I need to get sensors for. No biggie
I was also able to find an EGR block off plate and manifold plug for sale here in the states. I also bought a v8 mount kit, jeep exhaust manifolds are in route as I type this as well as a pulley and pulley mount bypass for the power steering ( I'll still have to mod it to work on the non-eagle heads ) but that's not hard.
As for the Car... I was told it was out of paint but my guy saw something in the 1/4 panel he wanted to work on so I'll send a text here soon to find out if I can bring it home this weekend. I will update as I get more info... ugh

*Oh and on a sad / happy Note, I have sold the Supercharger unit manifold and efi harness to a member here on the forum. I'm finishing up a few things he requested on it and hopefully we'll see it in a build thread on the forum soon.

These are the 3 wire I need to get sensors for and find a home for. 2 of these are just for the dash gauges. The 3rd wire is for the ecu. These will be easy to place, shouldn't be an issue! The 2nd picture is of the EGR plate mounted on the head and EGR plug on the manifold. It was hard to find these two parts in the states. Seem even tho these two part actually came stock on the Ram 3500 truck the EPA have deemed them a threat to the environment and now illegal to sell or purchase... Shh I'm and outlaw

Ok so I know I'm gonna have some one telling me I got the wrong mounts as I'm using an early K-member with /6 mount placement and these are for the v8 of a 67 and up... So I'll explain my self here.. lol Okay so the 67 and up V8 mount spacing on the K-member is 20" and the slany mounts are 22.5". My worry with getting the Schumacher/ UStool /6 swap mounts is that it's setup for the wide 67 body and I was worried it would place the motor in a location that I couldn't adjust.. So my thought and reasoning for getting the v8 puck style swap mounts is I now have 1.25"+/- of movement that I can use for block fitment moving where I need it.

The oil filter block off plate install.. I had planed on running a remote oil filter and cooler so I have a few of the parts already and should be a easy adaptation into the barracuda.

More updates coming soon!

 

[TT5.9mag]

Nice work. Sounds like you are motivated to get this hemi up and running. I like it. Please tell the member that purchased your mag blower manifold to start a thread when he/she gets to using it. I would appreciate seeing that project finished out.

 

[Joe Mc]

MM, it stinks that you couldn't get the support you were seeking. Sounds like you played the "get more with honey than vinegar" card very well, I commend you. My project has been sitting for years, you know how life gets in the way, but I'm keeping my truck (see signature) going strong and usually the folks I deal with are top notch with customer service. The "usually" was only one instance where all I was looking for was answer to a question on what the outfit produced/created, I too played the honey card and basically got same as you, "I don't have time to talk with you", but I got a hang up. Not a happy customer but being they created the item there was no one else that would remotely have an idea. The next day I decided to send an email to the outfit. I began with my name is Joe and yesterday I called for information regarding your product, an answer to a question if you will. Unfortunately the person I spoke with, I forget his name, must have been having a very bad day as he told me ... and hung up on me. I'd really like to get the answer to my question. I'd like to mention that I have a thread going on a forum with well over *** members, which is xx pages with many folks following along. I'd like to share with them the great customer service I received with the answer to my question. I'd appreciate it if you could call me at - listed phone # - when convenient for you. It should only take a few minutes of your time.
Thank you in advance,
1st & last name
Name of forum
Member since 05/2001

The next day the guy called apologizing and provided the answer, and thanked me for my business asking if I could send him a link to my thread...
I did and gave accolades to the customer service I received.

Might consider giving that a try. Worked for me.