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    GMachineDartGT Senior Member

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    Borgeson is very good with warranty. With my 6 years of selling them, the return rate is extremely low. Definitely within reason. I don't know to many companies that are going to send another product, sight unseen of the defective product and not ask for a second payment. I've done it and refunded upon receipt/confirmation all was proper. Almost every time I receive something even for an exchange, its not saleable. Box torn, missing parts, dirty, chipped, etc. Business have to protect themselves and serve the customer at the same time.
     
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      Ive had my box for about 4 years, maybe 5, I cant remember, But I had the awful hissing noise too, hissed like a bitch when not turning or under load, end
      Ok Ive had my Borgeson Box for roughly 4-5 years, I ended up replacing the factory pump with a new Lars pump, only hang ups were getting a new pulley (Old one was pressed on, new one was a key/bolt on) as well as a new return set up because the outlet on the pump is way different then the OEM. The Hissing noise I posted about years ago was gone instantly. I also rec using Teflon tape on the threads of the lines going into the box, the lines from Borgeson never would seal right. Also now I have a leak coming from the area in the rear of the box where the 4 bolts bolt the control head on. (Noise gone, now we have a leak) Its funny because the old pump steered way easier but had the stupid noise, the new pump has no noise, steers harder, but is now leaking at the base of the box. Its a super nice feel to the box, my car is lowered and is set up for road/course/autocross, but this leak/ noise nonsense has me thinking I may never buy another box from these guys again. Yes I also have the Joint, and no don't let those fools ever con you into believing the noise is transferring through the joint. That's complete crap. The leak is very slight and I checked the control head bolts, all tight. I may reference my Grand Cherokee manual and see whats behind there. Love the box but the quality is sub par at best. They should stick to making steering shafts.
       
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        GMachineDartGT Senior Member

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        Send me a photo of which box you have. The O ring may be damaged under the cover. Very easy to repair.
         
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        Was measuring the correct shaft length any problem? I have the made in China Bergman coupler on mine, not happy with it. Thanks
         
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        Whats the problem? Some of the coupler bodies were China, the newer bodies are all oe mopar.
         
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        coalman Well-Known Member

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        The Bergman couplers are longer than original coupler to fit the Borgeson, header clearance problem and the shoes would not fit the pin through the shaft.
         
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        This is not normal. Did you call or email me for a solution? I don't remember speaking with you.
         
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        Yes I did, it was in the spring of 2016, don't worry about it, water under the bridge...
         
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        Perfect idea.

        1971 A-body biscuit mount(2266) vs 1974 318 B-van(2265).
        The Van's mount is noticeably thicker and will raise the engine just enough to cure some fitment headaches.

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        Hedmann sells a few different thicknesses too.

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          Does anyone have direct experience with both the Borgeson and FirmFeel Stage 2/3 boxes in the same platform? I'm curious mainly about performance and feel. Both have their pluses and minuses in various categories but I was hoping someone could comment about on-center feel and such. A horse a-piece or is there a clear advantage?
           
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          I sell the borgesons. The feel and precision on center is much sharper than the original boxes. The ratio is slightly faster and the box is 20 lbs lighter.
           
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          • daves66valiant

            daves66valiant 68 Dart 340/727:66 Signet Vert 340/5spd: 68 D100

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            I just installed the Borg box and your coupler which is a nice and simple piece to install. I too have the whiny sound from the box. I understand Borg will warranty it but wtf. Why is there a large percentage of people having this issue? I believe my box has the welded tang for the K-frame mount.

            The feel is great but no one likes a whiny Borgbitch
             
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            The newest boxes are all cast as one piece. No more welded brackets. As far as noise is concerned, most of the time a replacement makes it silent. The amount of boxes I've had Borgeson warranty is less than 1/4 of 1% of boxes sold. However, others have reported that reducing the pressure of the pump also solved the issue. What pump do you have?
             
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            daves66valiant 68 Dart 340/727:66 Signet Vert 340/5spd: 68 D100

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            Not sure which box it is exactly. The part I ordered was the 800126 iirc. It’s for my 68 Dart with 340. I have Borgeson’s matching power steering pump as well.
             
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            Ok. May want to add shims to the control valve to reduce pressure. PM me to discuss
             
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              I asked this over at the FBBO site. I am considering a Borgeson to replace my Stage 3 Firm Feel unit. The Borgeson is a large chunk of cash for something that isn't needed BUT wanted. I am not willing to make this swap if the gains are not worth it to me.
              I currently have the Fast Ratio idler and Pitman so the ratio is closer to 12 to 1 but that damn slop in the center of the wheel travel is really annoying. It only gets worse with these FR arms and a Firmer Feel rebuild job because when the effort to turn is higher, the loose slop is much more evident. If the Borgeson eliminates ALL of the slop then I could see this as a worthy upgrade. If and when I do this, I will buy from BAC...Peter is a smart and helpful guy.
               
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              Thank you. Well worth it. The on center response speaks for itself.
               
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              Do any of you know what the dimensions are for the factory, Borgeson and Bergman couplers are? Thanks
               
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              I can help, but I'm not sure what dimensions you would like.

              PM me for faster response.
               
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