Early A switch question

[1964cuda]

Forgive me and point me to the right thread.
After searching multitudes of posts on fuel gauge issues I think I have a worked fuel gauge as temp is working again. Thanks for the help there...

This is a different question regarding the headlight and windshield wiper switches.
The 1964 Barracuda I just bought does not turn on the dome lights yet all 3 of these(pic did not load will try again) do as well as the switch in my other Barracuda do.
I assume this is a repop and will replace it with one I have that does turn on domes.

As far as the wiper switch the one I just got has no Spray system at all not even the holes drilled out for spray tips.
Can I use my other switch ( also in pic on the left) which has spray control and I think is variable? Or is there correct wiring in the one I just got? One is a Canadian built and the one without spray system is out of Oregon. Not that that may matter. You folks no better than me.
Also where can I get a bladder bag? Mine is cracked and what I found online are outrageously priced. Maybe I can glue it?

When I can figure out how to add pictures I will. Getting error messages when uploading.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Dana67Dart]

Sometimes the size of the photo is too big.

Jpg should work other formats maybe not.

Using a phone or PC?

If phone apple or android?

 

[1964cuda]

Sometimes the size of the photo is too big.

Jpg should work other formats maybe not.

Using a phone or PC?

If phone apple or android?

Android phone 10e

 

[Dana67Dart]

My Android camera sometimes gets into a "motion image" mode (takes multiple photos at one time) like a short video.

Maybe part of the issue????

 

[1964cuda]

My Android camera sometimes gets into a "motion image" mode (takes multiple photos at one time) like a short video.

Maybe part of the issue????

Reduced the size and they worked I must have my phone camera it at the highest setting

 

[1964cuda]

Forgive me and point me to the right thread.
After searching multitudes of posts on fuel gauge issues I think I have a worked fuel gauge as temp is working again. Thanks for the help there...

This is a different question regarding the headlight and windshield wiper switches.
The 1964 Barracuda I just bought does not turn on the dome lights yet all 3 of these(pic did not load will try again) do as well as the switch in my other Barracuda do.
I assume this is a repop and will replace it with one I have that does turn on domes.

As far as the wiper switch the one I just got has no Spray system at all not even the holes drilled out for spray tips.
Can I use my other switch ( also in pic on the left) which has spray control and I think is variable? Or is there correct wiring in the one I just got? One is a Canadian built and the one without spray system is out of Oregon. Not that that may matter. You folks no better than me.
Also where can I get a bladder bag? Mine is cracked and what I found online are outrageously priced. Maybe I can glue it?View attachment 1715771889

When I can figure out how to add pictures I will. Getting error messages when uploading.
Thanks in advance.

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Update found 2 more they both have the dome light function. The BWD new switch is different with a ground spade on the bottom?

 

[Dana67Dart]

I disassembled a 67 switch it may or may not be the same.

IIRC the extra ground is needed for situations where the switch is mounted to plastic. It provides the ground for the dome light switch cir to work ( but don't quote me on it)

Also at some point there was an internal change that caused the front parking lights to be on with the headlights, 67 they are off when headlights are on.

67 Dart Headlight Switch Demystified
67 Dart Headlight Switch and Connector Recommendations?

 

[1964cuda]

I disassembled a 67 switch it may or may not be the same.

IIRC the extra ground is needed for situations where the switch is mounted to plastic. It provides the ground for the dome light switch cir to work ( but don't quote me on it)

Also at some point there was an internal change that caused the front parking lights to be on with the headlights, 67 they are off when headlights are on.

67 Dart Headlight Switch Demystified

The thread I read on park lights with headlights on said there is a jumper not shown on most schematics from P to R to connect them with tail light circuit and not actually with headlights as it would draw To much for that circuit. Sounds right?

 

[Dana67Dart]

The thread I read on park lights with headlights on said there is a jumper not shown on most schematics from P to R to connect them with tail light circuit and not actually with headlights as it would draw To much for that circuit. Sounds right

Don't recall, I thought I remembered that the switch makes an additional connection, or one of the pins is extended to the parking light pin???

The difference is Barracudas have L6 and L7 wired to R terminal.
Darts and Valiants have L6 wire to P terminal, which Dana's continuity test shows as disconnected with headlights on position

 

[flingdingo]

The headlight switch is 3 or 4 different circuits all in one spot.

The headlights are their own circuit... B+ in at 'B1', and out to the dimmer switch at 'H'

Power for everything else comes from the brake light switch at 'B2'... taillight power goes out at 'R', and front running light power goes out at 'P'.

Power is only supplied to 'P' when the switch is pulled out to the first detent. Prior to 1967 or 1968, most cars (that I know of anyway) were wired this way -- no park lights when the headlights were on. In '67 or '68, federal law mandated that the running lights at all 4 corners light up with the headlights. The manufacturers (GM and Mopar for sure, they use the same switch, don't know about Ford) moved the front light wire to 'R' terminal and kept the same switch.

 

[flingdingo]

Dome lights get power from 'B2' also. Power goes to the light, and the door switches control the ground... the ground path comes back to the headlight switch at 'D' which allows you to turn on the dome light by rotating the headlight knob to the left.

 

[1964cuda]

Dome lights get power from 'B2' also. Power goes to the light, and the door switches control the ground... the ground path comes back to the headlight switch at 'D' which allows you to turn on the dome light by rotating the headlight knob to the left.

Thank You for the great explanation of headlight switch wiring. So I can assume the one in the car that doesn't turn on domes when turned to the left is defective and will swap. Do you know anything on wiper switch wires? I did not think to watch what I pulled off of it but seams to me like there was 4 or 5 different single gang spade connections to it.

 

[cudamark]

Single speed and variable speed wipers used different motors and switches. Some wiper switches with the washer options didn't have a separate washer button in the middle. On some, you just pushed the whole knob in to activate the washer motor.

 

[flingdingo]

If your dome light comes on with both doors, then yes, the problem is at the headlight switch... or there's a broken wire somewhere. Order a Standard Motor Products DS165 and be done with it. It's like a 10 dollar part.

Sorry, I know next to nothing about Mopar wiper systems, except that there are a lot of them. If you have the schematic for your specific system, I could try to figure out what is supposed to go where.

 

[1964cuda]

Single speed and variable speed wipers used different motors and switches. Some wiper switches with the washer options didn't have a separate washer button in the middle. On some, you just pushed the whole knob in to activate the washer motor.

Ok thank you for the explanation of variable speed systems needing a variable motor.
Sounds like if I want this to work I will also need the variable motor from the donor car as well as the switch, bladder bag, pump.
Do you know if the wiring to the motor is the same or will I need to get the wiring as well? Can I add the missing wires and retape at least the engine bay run to clean it up?

Single speed and variable speed wipers used different motors and switches. Some wiper switches with the washer options didn't have a separate washer button in the middle. On some, you just pushed the whole knob in to activate the washer motor.

Ok thank you for the explanation of variable speed systems needing a variable motor.
Sounds like if I want this to work I will also need the variable motor from the donor car as well as the switch, bladder bag, pump.
Do you know if the wiring to the motor is the same or will I need to get the wiring as well? Can I add the missing wires and retape at least the engine bay run to clean it up?

 

[cudamark]

There is a wiring difference too. The single speed motor only has 2 wires going to it. The variable speed one has 4. Not sure if the main harness has the extra ones or whether they're on a separate harness. If you find a donor car the same year, you may want to compare it with yours.

 

[1964cuda]

There is a wiring difference too. The single speed motor only has 2 wires going to it. The variable speed one has 4. Not sure if the main harness has the extra ones or whether they're on a separate harness. If you find a donor car the same year, you may want to compare it with yours.

I found this picture of a variable switch, which indicates which color wire went where but not what device the wire controls. Perhaps I can find a wiring diagram. Also both cars are from different country of manufacturing USA and Canada not sure if wire color is the same judging from the connection to main terminal in engine bay colors there are different

 

[cudamark]

According to the wiring diagram I have (no guarantees here!), pink #1 is 12v power into the circuit breaker (the silver box). I show a #4 as being red, and a #5 as being yellow and that they go to a variable speed motor. #3 as being black with tracer, and #6 as dark blue....both used with a single speed motor (and also with the variable speed motor along with the other two). I also show a #10 connection/wire as being tan and for the washer, and a white wire for the backup lights getting it's power at the circuit breaker also. I don't have a #2 connection in my diagram, but I suspect it's the backup light connection judging by your photo. I think your #3 is probably the washer motor terminal. I don't show a washer being used with a single speed motor/switch. It's completely possible that either your numbering system or mine is inaccurate. Looks like our wire colors jibe, but, the number designations are different. I don't have the factory manual for 1964. I'm using a wiring diagram book put out by Chilton's Motor Age.