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I feel dumb asking this but I want to make sure my engine is safe. I have a fairly mild 9.2:1 iron head roller cam setup with a 6 quart Mancini oil pan and a standard Melling oil pump. Is 6 quarts what I should be using?

I ran Penn Grade brake In oil for startup and the first 2-3 drives seating the rings. Then changed to 10-30 conventional. Going to do another oil change here soon now that I have about 250 miles on it. Should I go to synthetic or stay conventional?
 
6 of 1 ,,,,a half dozen of the other !
What ever makes you feel good,,,,,there as many pros as cons on types of oil .
Just use good oil and service like you are supposed to .

Tommy
 
My son has a set of B1 heads that came back several times to check them. Their complaint is the engine smokes so bad on every pull. Yes its a big cube pulling truck. Finally he asked him what oil he is running.

Now this is not a miss print on my part. And I confirmed what my son told me by asking the person myself. 16 quarts of 20-50. This is a dodge dealership. He swears the engine never smoked until the heads were redone. The engine has a 8 quart pan but he has a remote filter. I still find it hard to believe but this is the truth. A dealership!

When I questioned him he kept repeating this is a pulling truck. My god I still can't believe he told me that.
 
Why in the world would anyone over fill that much ?
No wonder it was smoking !

The remote filter would take a little more but not twice as much .
Were they blaming your son for the smoking part,,,like the heads were at fault ?

lol,,,I guess at least the cam was getting plenty of splash from the crank dipping into the reservoir,,,Lol .

Tommy
 
Use conventional oil at 250 miles. If the rings are not broke in yet then you could hurt the ring seal. Not worth the risk. Do you want to take it apart and hone it and replace the rings again?

6 quarts is full for the pan What kind of driving do you do? Hard acceleration, corners or braking? How much RPM?

Your oil pump, is it a standard or high volume?
 
standup303 said:
I feel dumb asking this but I want to make sure my engine is safe. I have a fairly mild 9.2:1 iron head roller cam setup with a 6 quart Mancini oil pan and a standard Melling oil pump. Is 6 quarts what I should be using?
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A six quart pan?
Then six quarts in the pan, another quart or so (depending on the size filter you're running) for the filter and galleries...
Some people like to run it a quart down in a well-baffled pan to help reduce windage, but that's your call.
The weight and type of oil you run is entirely dependent on the clearances you are running in the engine.
 
Desoto291hemi said:
Why in the world would anyone over fill that much ?
No wonder it was smoking !

The remote filter would take a little more but not twice as much .
Were they blaming your son for the smoking part,,,like the heads were at fault ?

lol,,,I guess at least the cam was getting plenty of splash from the crank dipping into the reservoir,,,Lol .

Tommy
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You got it. The engine was done at another machine shop that closed up. We had no clue that he was putting that much oil in the engine until his partner in crime mentioned it.. Tried to put 16 quarts in the same pan alone and the pan would not hold 12. That means he has over 4 quarts above the crank.
 
413 said:
Use conventional oil at 250 miles. If the rings are not broke in yet then you could hurt the ring seal. Not worth the risk. Do you want to take it apart and hone it and replace the rings again?

6 quarts is full for the pan What kind of driving do you do? Hard acceleration, corners or braking? How much RPM?

Your oil pump, is it a standard or high volume?
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Mainly just cruising rural roads about 50 mph and getting on it when I can. Cruising about 2500-3200 and I’ve run it up to 5,000 so far gettin on the throttle but that’s it. Standard volume pump.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
You got it. The engine was done at another machine shop that closed up. We had no clue that he was putting that much oil in the engine until his partner in crime mentioned it.. Tried to put 16 quarts in the same pan alone and the pan would not hold 12. That means he has over 4 quarts above the crank.
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It shouldda hydra locked on oil.
 
If you are unsure of the amount of oil to add (ASSUMING you have the stock dipstick and tube installed)



Add 5 qts (4 for the pan and one for the filter) and then start the engine let it run at normal idle for a couple minutes to get the oil filter filled and the oil to the galleys etc. Shut it off and let it sit for a few minutes, then check the dip stick.

NOTE: your running it short periods to prevent the oil from getting hot and expanding the oil

It may not show on the dipstick but don't worry, you have a larger capacity pan and there is sure to be oil to be picked up.

Now add another quart, now you have 6 qts in (5 for the pan and 1 for the filter) and start and let it run for a couple minutes. Shut it off and let it sit for a few minutes, then check the dip stick.

repeat till you have the oil at the full line.

Be sure to keep track of how much oil you put in and you will know.

THEN as a final check let it sit overnight and check it cold in the morning. It should be at or just below the full line
 
Since you don't have a HV oil pump then you can run 5 total in there. I use 6 when I have that pan.

Change oil with conventional oil. Pour in 5 or 6 total. Run it around and get it warm. Park it on level for 5 minutes and see what stick says. Remark or make a note of the level with 6 in it.

I wouldn't keep adding oil until it reads full, you could have a completely wrong dipstick or tube.
 
RustyRatRod said:
It shouldda hydra locked on oil.
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That is what I thought. Steve said They told him That is all I could think of why it didn't . the intake was filled with oil. Huge cam with a lot of overlap? Made 1/2 a pull and it shut off. I can't wait to see the rest of the engine.
 
Professor Fate said:
A six quart pan?
Then six quarts in the pan, another quart or so (depending on the size filter you're running) for the filter and galleries...
Some people like to run it a quart down in a well-baffled pan to help reduce windage, but that's your call.
The weight and type of oil you run is entirely dependent on the clearances you are running in the engine.
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i run 7 -7 1/2 in a 9 qt pan ...
 
Make sure that the extended oil pump pick up is installed in the engine properly. It should just touch the bottom of the pan when installed.
As for causing the system to lock up. You can have the oil pump installed in a 55 gallon drum of oil, but it will only flow the same amount of oil.
As far as ring seating, it will depend on the type of rings that are installed and the crosshatch pattern on the cylinder walls. Moly rings seat very quickly but do not last a long time. Chrome rings have a long service life but are much harder to seat and take more time.
A dumb question is the one that is never asked. When in doubt always check the Factory Service Manual or if the part is aftermaeket, go to the manufacturers website for guidance. Remember that it is your engine and your money at risk.
 
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