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Hi Mike,

good to see you make some progress. It seems that you are on the right track, with all the effort i wish you all the best to reach your goals! Please keep us updated, it is very interesting.

I also think the BPE Heads are well designed and worth the money, but i absolutely understand your point being the first....

Have a nice day!

Michael
 
Ironmike said:
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Wow!
Even though your new cam is going to be quite the oddball cam.......i think it the right directions.

call me selfish! BUT, I STILL THINK YOU NEED TO OWN THE FIRST SET OF THEM Bloomers heads HEAD!:thankyou::D
 
Yeah. Me too. I'd gladly be the guinea pig, for a real nice discount. Hell, I'd send the guy all the notes, dyno sheets, you name it.

I just didn't get the feeling all the bugs are worked out. Yet.
 
You should have suggested it to him.
I think he has one ported head on hand and when he sell it........he will make one more...........
I think if these head make the hit, he won't be able to mass produce fast enough.
He has one now. may never have another one...............THAT I HOPE I'M VERY WRONG ABOUT!!!!
 
I want to :poke:more about them heads:). but ...
When are you getting you cam and when is the next dyno time????
 
I'm hoping I'll have the cam back in 2 weeks. Dyno will be a day or so after. It all hinges on how quick Bullet can get it done.
 
I have used reverse split cams on restricted motors and couldnt say they were any better than single pattern or ones with 10 more exh.they also werent happy on tight lsa.You dont have restricted intake/ carb so i feel going this way doesnt seem right.My thought is fix the head like the head guy said with epoxy first.
 
Without a flow bench, epoxying up the port is a bigger gamble than the new cam.
I really think they dug that out from behind the guide, out, to get a better csa at ss to slow the air speed down. Fill it up with mud, and the airspeed get to fast(fps) my cause turbulence= less power.
 
Cudafever said:
Without a flow bench, epoxying up the port is a bigger gamble than the new cam.
I really think they dug that out from behind the guide, out, to get a better csa at ss to slow the air speed down. Fill it up with mud, and the airspeed get to fast(fps) my cause turbulence= less power.
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what if he changes the cam and it dont come around like you suspect? Then epoxy the heads? This only the intakes on the heads so 8 ports not a lot of time spent.I have seen some of Gulius superstock heads the bowl is similar to what he was shown with the clay.
 
agreed. but without a flow bench...........
My opinion is that if or when he goes down that road, that he epoxy it in, in several ways, then take it to a flow bench and see which one.... #1, sounded the smoothest and didn't kill the flow. Then go back and make all the rest shaped that way.
I don't see filling in the bowl will give him ANY more flow, But, if he can get better/smoother flow THEN he has gained power. if it start to screech in the port...........well the air is traveling in the port like a super ball would in you kitchen. erative uncontrolled flow.
Behind the guide, in the bowl/roof area, if its fill back in......don't think it will be a plus.
I have only seen a picture of that head/ port so I really have no clue what it's going to do and neither will the op if he don't get it flow after......by the same flowbench/operator as he did before.
 
uh oh. Hey guys guess what? I can get my hands on a brand new Victor 340 , not Super Victor... for a steal. I know my cam is getting reground and all that , BUT I've heard the Victor 340 MAY be a better all around intake AND forsure better torque down low. I could also fit a 1 inch spacer on the Victor 340 if need be.

I know it's spitballing and changing 2 things, but I figured I'd see what you guys thought.
 
Ironmike said:
uh oh. Hey guys guess what? I can get my hands on a brand new Victor 340 , not Super Victor... for a steal. I know my cam is getting reground and all that , BUT I've heard the Victor 340 MAY be a better all around intake AND forsure better torque down low. I could also fit a 1 inch spacer on the Victor 340 if need be.

I know it's spitballing and changing 2 things, but I figured I'd see what you guys thought.
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I'd say take both to the dyno and flog the hell out of both of them.
 
yellow rose said:
I'd say take both to the dyno and flog the hell out of both of them.
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Thinkin' about that myself, but come on.......it ain't THAT easy changing intakes. An hour maybe. Re-sealing it.....Yada Yada. Might be nice to have close by just in case the numbers look bad.

I'll tell you what. I sure like the way the plenum looks on that Victor 340. Nice runners into the plenum. As cheap as I can grab it, maybe I will.
 
The exhaust port itself isn't all that important. Once that valve opens there's plenty of pressure to clear the cylinder fully during blowdown. I think your issue would be the rockers and intake ports. So I'm interested to see what the "recovery" looks like.
 
Deep port match the Victor and I think you'll like it. My pump gas 408 went 6.57 in the eighth at 3260# with one.
 
moper said:
The exhaust port itself isn't all that important. Once that valve opens there's plenty of pressure to clear the cylinder fully during blowdown. I think your issue would be the rockers and intake ports. So I'm interested to see what the "recovery" looks like.
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Bullet told me the problem ....he thinks....is the intake isn't getting enough time to fill. I'm not messing around with epoxy. Bullet has the cam now, so we'll see what happens with the split reversed. Not to mention real 1.6 rockers.

My big plan is if it doesn't respond, I'll sell the heads bare and buy a pair form Bloomer or who knows? Not to mention I'd need a new cam.

I want 570 HP and damn good torque, or its toast. Be selling lots of stuff..........
The only wasted money would be the CNC work, the cam, and dyno time. Maybe 3 grand- ish...
Geez.
 
I hate to see your bite the bullet, but sometimes you got a bite the bullet. I hope it all works out well for you.
 
Ironmike said:
LSA stays where it is, I guess. Don't know how the rockers got out the door. Dave wouldn't admit what was wrong when we talked, he just said I'm sending you 16 that I personally spent half a day checking. It was later when I called back, that his guy told me they were NOT mis marked, as far as ratio, they were not EVEN 1.5.

I'm guessing there was a bit of a problem. Wondering how many people out there might think they have 1.6 rockers....

So anyhow, I think I'm looking at 2 weeks before the cam gets home. Said he would try and rush it, but I think everyone's in a rush this time of year. What a frustrating build!

This all started as just "a back up motor", incase the one in the car had some catastrophic failure. Meanwhile it's just sitting there, feeling all neglected, wanting to get pounded on....:D
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So wait. Hughes "super perfect always exactly the same, spec'd out CNC premium rockers" weren't actually super perfect always exactly the same spec'd out CNC premium rockers?

Well after those flow numbers we saw. I am absolutely shocked. I never would have expected that.

Ok, that's enough sarcasm for now. If they were all UNDER 1.5. I'm curious how close they were to each other. Seems like maybe hughes needs a new CNC machine. Or operator. Or maybe just needs to learn how to run the thing. Reminds me of when I sold bearings/precision machined stuff. The stuff coming out of china was "CNC machined" and "mic'd to within whatever spec". But what they don't tell you. Is that 100,000 dollar CNC machine sits on an uneven dirt floor. Making the machining crap. And that the micrometer they use to "spec" it, was made next door and not calibrated properly. People keep forgetting that all that work you do. Is only as good as the tools/measurements that back it up. And the knowledge and experience that backs that up. It's not as simple as "oh throw it in the CNC and it'll turn out perfect". It won't if that CNC isn't setup right.

Well here's hoping new rockers. A reground cam. And maybe that new intake help you hit the numbers you are aiming for.
 
ironmikes measurement of .626" = 1.5 I think Hughes did not want to admit they were marked wrong, so he said they were not 1.5 Sometimes going from 1.5 to 1.6 on the dyno does not much. try the victor intake
 
Marcohotrod said:
ironmikes measurement of .626" = 1.5 I think Hughes did not want to admit they were marked wrong, so he said they were not 1.5 Sometimes going from 1.5 to 1.6 on the dyno does not much. try the victor intake
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Actually, later on I checked ALL of them. Got anywhere from. 601 to .628. 9 of them were below .610. They were ,in technical terms, all jacked up.
 
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