Sacramento County ban on home “major auto repair”

[adriver]

Within reason, a car up on blocks with parts hanging loose next door doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as one on the highway driven by a reckless, speeding moron.
It is actually preferable.

 

[jos51700]

No, i do not.

It's easy to go along with city code when working on cars isn't your hobby.

It's incredibly unfair when the city says you can't do what you enjoy.

Some cities say you can't garden, or own guns, or even collect things. They just want you to be a mindless robot, I guess.

The fundamental issue here is that you have government telling you how you must live your life, even if it doesn't affect your neighbors. There's literally no problem until they create one to justify their own existence. That's not freedom.

Are you doing anything about it?
My turn to ask a question of you.

My neighbors are that. If it doesn't intrude into my property, it's LIFE. FREEDOM. AMERICA. And it gets on my nerves sometimes but I deal with them directly whenever possible and only as a last resort. And I'll fight to the death to protect their freedom if I have to.

He doesn't own a classic car. He did but he sold off his stuff 20 years ago.

I'd be bitter if life forced me to that point. But I would also look at what caused it, and how others live.

 

[hemi71x]

Tell you this also.
I wasn't the only one that didn't enjoy seeing derelict cars, next door to me.
The Greek priest across the street from me asked me questions, if i knew what was going on.
The girl that lives 2 duplex's down from me didn't want to put up with it either.
And another neighbor on the other side of the street at the next Court, was asking what's going on.
So i wasn't the only one in the neighborhood that what was going on, wasn't right.
So then, let me take the heat for all this then, and consider me the spokesman, to code enforcement when a complaint was initiated.
I just speeded up the process a bit, as code enforcement would have cited the violation anyway on their next patrol around the neighborhood.
I didn't do anything wrong, except give the officers a heads up, on the situation.
If i didn't do it, the Greek priest, or two other neighbors certainly would have, could have, also.

 

[diymirage]

Having read this thread, I quit working on my light bar (using a small impact like screwdriver) and decided to focus on the wiring instead...and it was only 10.30 PM

 

[jeff alder]

And ordinances are laws.

not necessarily...in some areas they are just authoritative rules or decrees or guidelines set by a municipality, however the term law is a synonym

 

[toolmanmike]

not necessarily...in some areas they are just authoritative rules or decrees or guidelines set by a municipality, however the term law is a synonym

Draw your own conclusions.


"What is the difference between laws and ordinances?
Q: What's the difference between a statute and an ordinance? A: Unlike a statute, or state law, an ordinance is a local law that is passed by municipal governing authorities, such as a city council or county board of commissioners. Ordinances also apply only to the local jurisdiction, as opposed to the entire state.Mar 24, 2015"

"Are ordinances legal?
In all states, a city or county may enact a local ordinance as a criminal law that covers the same crime or violation as a state law but only if the penalty provided by the local ordinance is higher than the state statute."

"Are city ordinances enforceable?
Violation and Enforcement. Municipalities have general powers, subject to other provisions of law to enforce ordinances and to prescribe penalties for violations. ... In some jurisdictions, the legislature by law may authorize each city, village, and town to establish a municipal court."

 

[jeff alder]

Draw your own conclusions.


"What is the difference between laws and ordinances?
Q: What's the difference between a statute and an ordinance? A: Unlike a statute, or state law, an ordinance is a local law that is passed by municipal governing authorities, such as a city council or county board of commissioners. Ordinances also apply only to the local jurisdiction, as opposed to the entire state.Mar 24, 2015"

"Are ordinances legal?
In all states, a city or county may enact a local ordinance as a criminal law that covers the same crime or violation as a state law but only if the penalty provided by the local ordinance is higher than the state statute."

"Are city ordinances enforceable?
Violation and Enforcement. Municipalities have general powers, subject to other provisions of law to enforce ordinances and to prescribe penalties for violations. ... In some jurisdictions, the legislature by law may authorize each city, village, and town to establish a municipal court."

that's the beauty of a democracy Mike...you are entitled to your opinion and voice and reference material and I could post 100 posts that quote other reference material

Draw your own conclusions.


"What is the difference between laws and ordinances?
Q: What's the difference between a statute and an ordinance? A: Unlike a statute, or state law, an ordinance is a local law that is passed by municipal governing authorities, such as a city council or county board of commissioners. Ordinances also apply only to the local jurisdiction, as opposed to the entire state.Mar 24, 2015"

"Are ordinances legal?
In all states, a city or county may enact a local ordinance as a criminal law that covers the same crime or violation as a state law but only if the penalty provided by the local ordinance is higher than the state statute."

"Are city ordinances enforceable?
Violation and Enforcement. Municipalities have general powers, subject to other provisions of law to enforce ordinances and to prescribe penalties for violations. ... In some jurisdictions, the legislature by law may authorize each city, village, and town to establish a municipal court."

 

[toolmanmike]

that's the beauty of a democracy Mike...you are entitled to your opinion and voice and reference material and I could post 100 posts that quote other reference material

If you break an ordnance, (like if you break a law) the governing body can fine or arrest you just like any other law.

 

[SLOPAR72]

Ordinances are really just pieces of horsepower in writing to help keep people from doing as they want. I have been through all this bullcrap for 4 years and in all honesty it comes down to this.....

Let the neighbor piss off the wrong person and it's on like Donkey Kong. And I mean as in a government employee on the payroll (police,

If you break an ordnance, (like if you break a law) the governing body can fine or arrest you just like any other law.

This is an accurate statement. And people who push the boundaries of ordinances know them better than the rest of us..... They are a tool for officials to use when necessary. People who think otherwise are exactly why ordinances are in place....

JW

 

[zigs]

But yet they turn their heads when it comes to the homeless living in their own garbage on the streets , releaving themselves on the side walks and using needles and dumping them iin the streets.

 

[Hemioutlaw]

I've been following this thread without commenting and Hoo Boy has it gotten off into the weeds at times. While i'm able to see both sides of the fence on the original focus of this whole thread, when it comes to City Ordinances it's really irrelevant what mine or anybody else's opinion is...There's an old saying that "YOU CAN'T FIGHT CITY HALL" and personally being of a very rebellious nature i've had to test and find that out the punitive and expensive way on many occasions throughout my life.

I completely subscribe to a "Live and Let Live / Mind your own Business / Judge not and Ye Shall not be Judged / Do Unto Others..." lifestyle and only wish that everybody else subscribed to the same.

I've never met a stranger and believe it's to everybodies benefit to get along, if something my neighbor was doing was seriously impacting my life than my first avenue would be to approach them, have a conversation about it and go from there.

"La Rata No Bueno"

 

[hemi71x]

If you break an ordnance, (like if you break a law) the governing body can fine or arrest you just like any other law.

Being here in my "hood" an ordnance is a law.
Code enforcement went after some tenants, a couple of houses down from me, that were parking, storing, going in and out, with a large commercial, industrial, truck, that tree trimming company's use.
Against code, "laws" not having business, commercial vehicles, stored, parked, in a residential neighborhood.
They thought they could get away with it, and kept it around, until the fine got their attention.
So no, you really can't do what you want to, just because your home, property, is your "castle" so to speak.
You can't grow marijuana in your home, in the majority of the states, sell crack cocaine, sell a firearm, in your home, in lot's of states without going thru an FFL, so you can be breaking the law(s) thinking you can do what you want, because it's Your home.

 

[Bulldozer]

"cop callers" on people who may have no financial means to take their cars to a shop or can afford to be out of transportation and are basically forced to do their own repairs in their driveway are just mean spirited people. instead of walking over and having a conversation with whom they consider an " offender" , and just call someone to come out an bust their balls are pussies that thoroughly enjoy ******* up someone's day. I can't stand people who can't mind their own business and just let people live. IMHFO , unless there is garbage piled up , or constant traffic in and out of someone's house , leave em alone

 

[hemi71x]

"cop callers" on people who may have no financial means to take their cars to a shop or can afford to be out of transportation and are basically forced to do their own repairs in their driveway are just mean spirited people. instead of walking over and having a conversation with whom they consider an " offender" , and just call someone to come out an bust their balls are pussies that thoroughly enjoy ******* up someone's day. I can't stand people who can't mind their own business and just let people live. IMHFO , unless there is garbage piled up , or constant traffic in and out of someone's house , leave em alone

Not "mean spirited" in any way shape or form.
When approached, and asked, what are you doing, just got ignored.
Ya, i can understand not having enough $$$$$ in the bank account, to pay for repairs, but the smashed car in question didn't even belong to the tenants living there.
Why didn't they repair it, where the owner lives?
I'll bet it wasn't allowed there also, and they knew it.
So they dragged it over to here, thinking I'll work on it over there.
Well that didn't, last long, either.

 

[mopowers]

IMHFO , unless there is garbage piled up , or constant traffic in and out of someone's house , leave em alone

Or maybe if he offered to lend a hand, he'd make a new friend.

 

[hemi71x]

Or maybe if he offered to lend a hand, he'd make a new friend.

Can't do that mopowers.
A reason that i don't, can't, work on vehicles anymore is that my health issues, what's wrong with me internally, have put a stop to it for numerous medical reasons, that i'm not going to get into, as it's nobody's business.
But i will say this much, what one doctor told me, "I'm all worn out on the inside, and you had a hard life".
Don't get old, and have a crapped out body.
Time will tell for you, in your future.
It comes upon you fast.

 

[hemi71x]

To continue this pissing match that's going on here, also let it be known that code enforcement had their eye on that smashed Toyota, as it was sitting on the street on the side of the Greek Church.
Around here, if the car doesn't move after sitting for 72 hours in the same spot, it can be orange tagged, by enforcement for removal from the street.
And just moving it a bit, or across the street won't hack it either.
So Code Enforcement would have cited it anyway, in a day or so, with it being on the property, on the driveway.
Don't know why many think i'm the jerk, when the code was being broken in the first place, and enforcement would be taking place anyway.

 

[Moparone]

This is what liberal socialism looks like. Lots of talk and lip service to the uneducated about making things more equal, but in reality it is a play for more power to the people in charge and less say so for everyone else. Keep people down and dependent without a voice. California is a complete mess. Hard to believe people put up with all the bs out there.

 

[Hemioutlaw]

Being here in my "hood" an ordnance is a law.
Code enforcement went after some tenants, a couple of houses down from me, that were parking, storing, going in and out, with a large commercial, industrial, truck, that tree trimming company's use.
Against code, "laws" not having business, commercial vehicles, stored, parked, in a residential neighborhood.
They thought they could get away with it, and kept it around, until the fine got their attention.
So no, you really can't do what you want to, just because your home, property, is your "castle" so to speak.
You can't grow marijuana in your home, in the majority of the states, sell crack cocaine, sell a firearm, in your home, in lot's of states without going thru an FFL, so you can be breaking the law(s) thinking you can do what you want, because it's Your home.

After moving to Texas, I unfortunately made the ill informed decision to purchase a home and move into an HOA neighborhood but that's on me and since I put my John Hancock on the paper that outlined the covenants it is what it is but I have tested the rules and unlike some neighborhoods that have Gestapo like Management companies the one managing my neighborhood has made some concessions.

When I first moved here it was a fairly new development and one of the rules was that NO Business advertising could be on a resident's vehicle whether they worked at a Real Estate company, Rental Yard, Mechanical Engineering Co. or whatever...WELL HELLO, People work for a Living and to a logical person that rule was just ******* stupid and only an idiot could draw a parallel between that and a decrease in property values which is what the rule was supposed to protect, I don't think that they changed the rule but certainly acquiesced and no longer have a hard on for that.

Conflating somebody operating a Crack House to somebody who happens to trim trees for a living parking their vehicle in the neighborhood is beyond ludicrous. Ya know what "hemi71x" life can be really hard sometimes juggling between working your *** off, dealing with family, financial, compatibility, health and death issues and then on top of everything else, of all people somebody who is actually dealing with some of the same stuff himself comes along and intentionally makes your life worse. Since you've mentioned all the houses of worship and your relationship with such it just makes me scratch my head as what your showing is just a true lack of Empathy and hardly the Christian Creed!

 

[hemi71x]

I had nothing to do with Code Enforcement citing a big commercial, industrial type, over a certain tonage, in a residential neighborhood.
Somebody within the city government wrote the law, and that's the way it is.
So the code enforcement people enforce the code.
Got nothing to do with religion, if you're one of the Christians, Jehovah's, Methodist's, Greek Orthodocks, that are on the street.
Code enforcement would be going after that smashed car anyway, wether i had anything to do with it or not.
All that seems to have been overlooked in this topic.
Makes no difference if they orange tagged it, on the street, or tagging it in the driveway.
It was going to get tagged one way or the other.

 

[Darnells Garage]

If the car was a Hemi GTX instead of a Toyota, would it still have been a problem.!?

 

[hemi71x]

After moving to Texas, I unfortunately made the ill informed decision to purchase a home and move into an HOA neighborhood but that's on me and since I put my John Hancock on the paper that outlined the covenants it is what it is but I have tested the rules and unlike some neighborhoods that have Gestapo like Management companies the one managing my neighborhood has made some concessions.

When I first moved here it was a fairly new development and one of the rules was that NO Business advertising could be on a resident's vehicle whether they worked at a Real Estate company, Rental Yard, Mechanical Engineering Co. or whatever...WELL HELLO, People work for a Living and to a logical person that rule was just ******* stupid and only an idiot could draw a parallel between that and a decrease in property values which is what the rule was supposed to protect, I don't think that they changed the rule but certainly acquiesced and no longer have a hard on for that.

Conflating somebody operating a Crack House to somebody who happens to trim trees for a living parking their vehicle in the neighborhood is beyond ludicrous. Ya know what "hemi71x" life can be really hard sometimes juggling between working your *** off, dealing with family, financial, compatibility, health and death issues and then on top of everything else, of all people somebody who is actually dealing with some of the same stuff himself comes along and intentionally makes your life worse. Since you've mentioned all the houses of worship and your relationship with such it just makes me scratch my head as what your showing is just a true lack of Empathy and hardly the Christian Creed!

Ya, we got a richie, rich section of the city, on the East side of the main Boulevard, called Gold River, that all kinds of HOA restrictions, codes and covenants, that the residents have to comply with.
But as you say, they chose to live there with all the do's and dont's.
Gated communities in areas, low millions of dollar homes, in other areas of it, and way out of my price range in my neighborhood.
Amazing what a mile away from one another can be like for housing.

 

[Bulldozer]

If the car was a Hemi GTX instead of a Toyota, would it still have been a problem.!?

that's a great question. I'm of the opinion that had the vehicle been a vintage HEMI Mopar of any kind, he would have made a friend or picked up a new customer, instead of getting code enforcement involved.

 

[hemi71x]

If the car was a Hemi GTX instead of a Toyota, would it still have been a problem.!?

Yep, it sure would have, if it was in the condition that the smashed Toyota was.
As stated MINOR repairs, a simple brake job, oil service, something like that all ok, no problems with me, or by enforcement personnel.
Makes no difference for any year, make, or model.
Behind closed in, fenced off, blocked off, fencing where nobody can see what's going on, should be acceptable
That should be a reason for people to look for property, houses, where your pursuit of happiness won't infringe on others.
.

 

[adriver]

I actually have a neighbor with junk cars, trash all over their yard, have started a fire that spread into my yard, shoots huns on New Years, Christmas, and July 4, 5 May. +++ loud music all night. Their dogs wondering into my yard-no lie, no ****

Now, that's funny right there.
Did they violate an ordinance or break the law in shooting them?

p.s.
All, I started a thread about this some years ago.
Unlike her, it wasn't pretty either.
Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Apologies to Waldo.