Small block intake ?
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You have to figure that the ONLY thing that matters is HP. The giant hole in horsepower on a street car from 2000 to about 4800 between an air gap and victor/SD is nothing to be concerned with.
HP only matters depending on the arena you are playing in. Ask a big rig driver.
You can't have hp without tq... one is measured the other is calculated. But the condescending one is so much smarter than everyone else he already knew that. How is it that a car that had a 340 it ran teh same MPH as a 408, but the 408 got to the stripe a lot quicker. Oh, maybe it's the 408 makers more tq and thus a byproduct, HP throughout the range. The combination of equipment makes a bit of difference.My LD340'd Dart in the 80's would have handed your SD equipped 318 it's rear with a much smaller camshaft, but, HP is all that matters... I'd have enjoyed all your beer money. LMAO
SpareParts
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Nah they're actually a difficult sale around here, trust me
Great intakes though. Work as good as most newer single planes
Late model engines with dual plane intakes, Hummmm, what is a late model to you?
The fix and standard operation a single plane and F.I. But you knew that.
Your comment is stupid because it ignores the posters post. Pay attention!
I've been doing similar stuff for a few decades as well. I'm no stranger to what works, how it works and why. Do NOT flatter yourself. We have had more than just a few actual racers run the RPM vs. various single planes that range from the Torker series to the M1 single and Victor intakes.
For these fellas, the RPM stayed on top and the single planes were removed because the single plane was slower! Locomotion can tell you what worked on "His combo." And it ain't a single plane.
You say I follow the heard. Perhaps to a degree, yea I do, because the heard I'm following uses what Works best. Which is combo dependent. I still have my M1 single plane, an LD-340, M1 Tunnel Ram, and a few others. They all have there place.
Perhaps what you should do is purchase a slew of intakes for experimental useage. (Like I did and will do again) and see how they work, the way they work and figure out why they work in that way.
Your screen name is "Mad Scientist" right?
Well, so far you have shown "Mad" as in angry and /or crazy.
Now go show off the scientist!
The fix and standard operation a single plane and F.I. But you knew that.
Your comment is stupid because it ignores the posters post. Pay attention!
I've been doing similar stuff for a few decades as well. I'm no stranger to what works, how it works and why. Do NOT flatter yourself. We have had more than just a few actual racers run the RPM vs. various single planes that range from the Torker series to the M1 single and Victor intakes.
For these fellas, the RPM stayed on top and the single planes were removed because the single plane was slower! Locomotion can tell you what worked on "His combo." And it ain't a single plane.
You say I follow the heard. Perhaps to a degree, yea I do, because the heard I'm following uses what Works best. Which is combo dependent. I still have my M1 single plane, an LD-340, M1 Tunnel Ram, and a few others. They all have there place.
Perhaps what you should do is purchase a slew of intakes for experimental useage. (Like I did and will do again) and see how they work, the way they work and figure out why they work in that way.
Your screen name is "Mad Scientist" right?
Well, so far you have shown "Mad" as in angry and /or crazy.
Now go show off the scientist!
Well count Hot Rod and their intake dyno test as part of the herd too. They tested five intakes on the same engine. the Air Gap was one, and they used your Strip Dominator as well.
You wanna take a guess what intake outperformed the other?
That intake that you call a "hi rise stocker" outperformed your favorite intake in every category except peak HP.
Before you say, "WELL, SEE THERE", let me tell you how much more HP the Strip Dominator made.
ONE!!!! ONE MORE FREAKING HP THAN A "HI RISE STOCKER".
Now, let me tell you the rest.
The Air Gaps average HP from 3100-6300 rpm was over 6 more HP than the Strip Dominators.
We wont even talk about the torque numbers. You would be mad on that as well.
I believe Hot Rod wrote that the Air Gap "took no prisoners" or something along those lines.
So, we all will "stay in the herd". You enjoy the view of the herd from behind!
You want a link to this info? Here you go!
http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/mopp-0108-dyno-testing-small-block-intakes/
Ops, bumbling fingers please see below.
Mad = angry or crazy
Scientist = one who normaly deals in actual facts, not ignores them or assumes the out come based on facts from other perameters.
Basing your answer on what you say works (based on your reply) vs. what the OP asks, it is easy to see how your post is one crazy (Mad) largely stupid (unscientific) answer that doesn't apply.
Let's go back to post number 1 and review (as in actually read) the choices the OP lists as intakes for use that he has. Hummmmmm
Scientist = one who normaly deals in actual facts, not ignores them or assumes the out come based on facts from other perameters.
Basing your answer on what you say works (based on your reply) vs. what the OP asks, it is easy to see how your post is one crazy (Mad) largely stupid (unscientific) answer that doesn't apply.
Let's go back to post number 1 and review (as in actually read) the choices the OP lists as intakes for use that he has. Hummmmmm
We're good! We're all good here. Except maybe one guy. He'll get over it sooner or later, hopefully sooner rather than later.
It won on that engine combo.....maybe it would not win on ALL engine combos.....unless you have tried all engine combo...
engine accelerating on dyno probably not the same as engine accelerating going down the track....as I have let to see a dyno stage and take the tree...
I agree 100%, however there is enough info there to show that a fine intake being called a "Hi rise stocker" is not anywhere near being a whipping post for the older intake that was claimed to "ALWAYS outperform the 2 plane crap".
For street, street/strip, and most Sportsman class racers, the Air Gap is a much better choice.
Now, a lighter car with a fast revving, high rpm engine may see more benefit from the Strip Dominator. Both have their place depending on application. It just appears that the Air Gap has a much broader application range that it works well in.
SpareParts
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WTF happened here
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I have that Airgap on my combo, which is just a 366, 10.7c/r, Eddie-headed, with a 230*@ .050cam. It went 93 in the eighth@ 7.92 with a 2.4 60ft; street tires & suspension. I only tracked that combo the one time. It was the best of 4 runs.It pulls hard, idles at 750-800, pulls right off idle, and breaks the 295s loose in 2nd(3.55 X 1.92 ratios) at up to 45mph(sometimes 50).I have not tried any other intake.It has broken 2 A833s, and 2 rears, and shredded 2 discs,and needs the big spicer U-joints.
-You will not regret saving up for the AG.
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-You will not regret saving up for the AG.
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I had a Holley Strip Dominator on my full interior Demon with a 360. It ran 7.30's in the 1/8. I bought a Edelbrock RPM and tried it ,I slowed down a little over a 10th. I put the Holly single plane back on and went back to 7.30's. I shifted at 6000.
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Say,,D50; how did your mphs compare? Im assuming your RPM was the RPM AIRGAP ?
7e5hangten360
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change your gears to 4.10 first. still with the strip dominator on top of the engine. baseline that strip dom intake at the track, the engine will like its new gears and the ET`s will improve. big time.
since you have it, i would try the tm-5 , which is a smaller intake and the ET`s should fall again.
keep track of the temperature and humidity for comparing runs on different days. for an easy comparison on different weather conditions, use wallace racing to even-out the combos.
my best advise is this : sell your old intakes and buy yourself an edelbrock airgap or ld-340, which are similar in performance.
from personnal testing under comparable weather conditions, the performer air-gap is about 1 tenth quicker than the strip dominator on my car, i tried both. airgap 11.84 vs strip dom 11.97. this is on a non-stroked 360 street car, by the way.
``see you at the strip!``
change your gears to 4.10 first. still with the strip dominator on top of the engine. baseline that strip dom intake at the track, the engine will like its new gears and the ET`s will improve. big time.
since you have it, i would try the tm-5 , which is a smaller intake and the ET`s should fall again.
keep track of the temperature and humidity for comparing runs on different days. for an easy comparison on different weather conditions, use wallace racing to even-out the combos.
my best advise is this : sell your old intakes and buy yourself an edelbrock airgap or ld-340, which are similar in performance.
from personnal testing under comparable weather conditions, the performer air-gap is about 1 tenth quicker than the strip dominator on my car, i tried both. airgap 11.84 vs strip dom 11.97. this is on a non-stroked 360 street car, by the way.
``see you at the strip!``
Ironmike
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Put an air gap with a 1inch OPEN spacer. Ask a professional engine builder what this combo does, i.e. OU812, Shadydell, etc.
You might want to learn that one size does not fit all.
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