The "Throw Away 318"

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For some guys, 318s are like slants, more are given away from sold for $$$!!!
For some of us, the older we get the more we appreciate every thing, slants, 318s, and another day on the Earth God gave us.
Yes, I also still appreciate a hot 383 and 4:10 gears!!
 
fratzog lover said:
A new avatar barbee?
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Yes my more door 64 Bel with poly 318 PB. I traded a complete rust free 77 Volare wagon I could not sell for $500, but the other guy wanted it, as he had sold a pretty nice one previously. I first intended to pull the good poly for my 62 Dart and part the rest, but a PO some where up the line had installed new AMD full floor pans and the rest was rust free and pretty straight. I could not bring myself to part it. Bad pat was the windshield and glass had got broken along the way home from Ms. to Tx! Got more in glass than anything!!!! I did a sort custom paint job, Anniversary Gold (64) met. and white above.
Runs/drives, need some more attention to brakes. Needs seats done. I like it.
 
I'd have been interested in the volare wagon had I known.
 
volaredon said:
I'd have been interested in the Volare wagon had I known.
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I advertised it everywhere! $500 NO rust complete non runner. Everyone always says such a good deal, wish we were closer. Or wihs we had some $, dog die and to pay for his funeral! I did send a really good mostly done 76 RR driver new paint to Fl for $3900 few months ago. Took 3 months to sell that. F bodies are a hard sell for me unless a Super Coupe car or T top car.. Done with them!
 
Kind of in the same boat. 360 is hurt. Have the 318 that is numbers matching to the car. Picked up a timing cover, water pump, and motor mounts at Mopars in the park (71+ so the radiator will work)
Have to finish putting my buddies flathead back together so I can free up the engine stand.
Hasn’t ran since 2002 only time will tell.
 
Uh oh.. not another "318 Is just as good as a 340 after I convert it using the 340 conversion recipe"
thread...
 
Summary for those that don't read or desire to comprehend??:
Some people have a 318 in hand and not a 340 or 360 and/$$ for such.
318s are proven good and durable engines, been that way for many decades.
The 318 can serve many purposes and can be made to make power to suit many needs.
End of :lol:summary.
 
skep419 said:
Kind of in the same boat. 360 is hurt. Have the 318 that is numbers matching to the car. Picked up a timing cover, water pump, and motor mounts at Mopars in the park (71+ so the radiator will work)
Have to finish putting my buddies flathead back together so I can free up the engine stand.
Hasn’t ran since 2002 only time will tell.
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At the end of the day you will likely drive a car with a running 318 more than you will drive a car with a blown up 340 or 360. That was the decision I had to make and I'm glad I did it! I like wrenching in the winter and cruising/racing in the summer!

Cley
 
skep419 said:
Kind of in the same boat. 360 is hurt. Have the 318 that is numbers matching to the car. Picked up a timing cover, water pump, and motor mounts at Mopars in the park (71+ so the radiator will work)
Have to finish putting my buddies flathead back together so I can free up the engine stand.
Hasn’t ran since 2002 only time will tell.
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What happened to your 360? It was a pretty hot little engine right?
 
"yeah... "was"...

on another note, I'm working on an 85 D150 (D100? emblems gone) with a leaning tower of power. Runs + drives as is. but I want "more power"
in past years, I'd have been quick to yank the running /6 and drop in a 318.... been there done that. I even know where there's currently a 440 that I could easily get my hands on and drop that in. but (OK, I know I'm gonna get hammered for this) I also had another /6 basketcase sitting here, I decided to build that engine up as my "power adder". basic rebuild, lots milled from head and block, to get barely over "advertised" CR from back in the day, much better than where I actually started out at) bored, reground cam (in '80s lingo, it's now a good "RV" type cam) oversize valves, polished and ported, converted to a Super 6.... I don't want much from it, but would be happy with "power of the day" between what a stock 318 and what a stock 360 "would have had" from the factory in the 80s when this truck was new.
I wish people would quit bashing 318s.
as far as 340s and 360s being "a dime a dozen" they never have been around here. I have never had my hands on a 340, couldn't even find one of those in my HS days of the 80s around here let alone now, so that particular engine is beyond consideration. I have a couple of 318 and 360 Mag blocks here, could have used those. But then I'd need a V8 trans, V8 radiator, V8 motor mount brackets, V8 front-engine accessories, etc. so by staying with a /6 I don't need any of that.... thoughts were that I could put "more" (forget about what things cost today vs the 80s haha) into building a better /6..... Im kinda anxious to see how that works out "for myself" as opposed to what's online.... cuz as we all know "if it's online it MUST be right" HAHAHAA we all know THAT's a crock of BS.....
and being in my 50s instead of late teens/20s like then might be having something to do with that..... maybe not. The /6 that I started with was basically a "throw a way".... I wanted it for the super 6 that it came with, that was gonna go on my kid's /6..... I since found a 2nd super 6 setup, so I have enough to go around, for both his and mine.
so I found the parts I was lacking for my basket case (CHEAP!) to make it a complete engine, here people hammer others for running a 318 and I'm running an even less desireable engine in my truck.... at least for now. if all else fails it may wind up in my Volare, which also was originally a /6 that I yanked years ago and gave away in hopes of putting a complete early 90s Dakota 318 drivetrain into......

in the same way as a 318 is internal balance while a 360 (stock anyway) is external meaning there are "conversion parts" needed to swap between them that aren't needed if you keep the 318..... and you can spend that money saved on a 360 pan, 360 mounts (OK 1 side) 360 converter or flywheel, etc making that 318 better.....
 
^^^^Let the Slant Six haters begin..Or should we start another thread ?:lol::poke:
 
"I'll push my 340 before I drive a 318.... "
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"keep push'n, buddy...." and I drive away
 
89on35s said:
For a couple years now, I have been deep into building an aluminum headed 360 for my Duster. Long story short after 5 minutes of cam break in there is a hole in the oil pan and undetermined damage in the crank case. Maybe I’ll figure it out this winter.

So, what do I do now? I can’t go all summer without my Duster! That is not an option for me. I had an old 78 318 sitting in the corner with no purpose in life. The old “Throw away 318”! I think it used to be good! Don’t really remember. It hadn’t been in a running vehicle forever! Hell let’s do it!

So, up on the engine stand she goes for a quick scrub up. I didn’t even paint it. It got a Summit K-6901 cam kit 218/228 @50, 441/441 lift on a 114 LSA. It got a Edelbrock Performer 318/360 intake because that’s what works with my AC compressor brackets. It got a Melling HV oil pump with matching distributor drive shaft and a new oil pickup and pan because I didn’t have any car stuff that wasn’t for a 360. Between what I had and what I bought I dropped about 500 bucks on the old “Throw away 318” just hoping for the best.

Well I put it together, dropped it into the car and man, I am super impressed with it for what it is! It doesn’t have great hot idling oil pressure but still has about 10lbs at 800 rpm (180* temp).

With the 4.10 rear gear and the 2.70 first gear in the A-500 it is a blast to drive around town It’s certainly better than the old wore out 360 with the wrong cam that that I had last year. I have been very nice to it so far, but It seems like it might run out of steam at RPMs over 5000. With the tiny valves that’s probably no surprise. I will drive it like it is for this year and maybe next year. Not sure on the fate of the whole 360 program now that this is so much fun and such a sweetheart to cruise. I will take it to the track and see what times it runs, and I am curious as to what kind of fuel economy it might get. It runs about 2100rpms at 65mph with the OD on. I picked up a NOS cheater plate and the parts to go with it a while back. Maybe I will try a 100 shot on this motor, Not sure yet!

I am very interested in what this engine might do with new rings and bearings, home head clean up and the ever-controversial swapping of the pistons side to side like Uncle Tony suggests. It would be a fun side by side comparison. I guess I’ll see how the motor works out in the long run. I have 800kms (500 miles) on it so far and things seem good. I did notice some oil by the breather on the drivers side valve cover, I hope there isn’t too much blow by pressuring up the crank case. I’m going to look into that tomorrow.

Cley
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the 318 may not be the best choose but i have seen 8 second 318 builds they r a good small block . in 1970 the 318 had 225 house &340 ft-lbs . i had a 70 4 door dart i could keep up with the 314 in the 1/8

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the lowly 318 may suprize u its not the bad faimly grossery getter we have ben lead to think it is . all the new "experts say the 318 r junk . the same way they use to think thr lowly smog 400 was a junk motor the 318 is no 340 likethe 400 is no 383 but both can be made to run (i built up a smog 400 thst ran 115 through the 1/4+ it was a hell of a driver . so dont sell them short
 
Dartswinger70 said:
CHRYSLER BluePrint Engines BPC4085CTC BluePrint Engines Chrysler 408 C.I.D. 465 HP Long Block Crate Engines | Summit Racing

How much are ya going to spend building up the 318? when engines are available?
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Well I got about 500 bucks in mine. Don't get me wrong the BP 408 is great but sometimes a guy can just deal with what he has sitting around.
Like ****, I'm kinda sick of the thought that we should leave our cars in the ******* garage until we can have someone else build us the ultimate ******* 408. Sometimes hot rodding is about what you can build yourself with the time, cash and parts available. That's where the "Throw away 318" comes in.
Rant over!
Cley
 
89on35s said:
Well I got about 500 bucks in mine. Don't get me wrong the BP 408 is great but sometimes a guy can just deal with what he has sitting around.
Like ****, I'm kinda sick of the thought that we should leave our cars in the ******* garage until we can have someone else build us the ultimate ******* 408. Sometimes hot rodding is about what you can build yourself with the time, cash and parts available. That's where the "Throw away 318" comes in.
Rant over!
Cley
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I have done the same back when my 340 was on the stand. I spent about the same. at the time, the most expensive thing was the Edelbrock intake which is now on the 340. I used the same summit cam Im sure. it ran good, stock 318 with that cam, eddy intake and 600 Hooley. It was total low buck deal...same reason just to run it while I get the other engine together. younow waht that 318 ran good. i had old heads come up and say "is that a 340? that sounds good...
 
I think we got a little off track here. Something about a 360 throwing a rod and then building a workable 318. When you build a motor (any motor), you need a plan. without going into a plan book here, I just want to put my two cents on the above mention 318. I would not install a High Volume oil pump with a stock pan. You can run the pump dry and throw a rod. Sounds liken he is on the way of doing the same again. Truck and Van oil pans have the deep pans, which I use on my Van with the 70' 340, but they will not work on a stock A-Body without a little fabrication. Both the 318 and 340 have the short stroke, which would be best for stock car racing and 1/8 mile strip or even 1/4 mile with the right gear(back to the plan). The 360 with it's longer stroke can produce more torque and top end. Depending on its use, they are all great power plants, but need a good plan.
 
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I'm sure I ran HV on mine without issue. has anyone starved the engine with a HV pump? like real stories?
 
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