1965 Dodge Dart Charger

[65dartcharger]

I have beenn thinking on the routing of the wiring harness for the floor shifter for my car. I was able to find a Picture on the Internet on a 65 Dart with same interior as I have. You can see how the harness was tejped to the floor. I just need to find out where the harness goes up under the dash!

 

[kmccabe56]

I have beenn thinking on the routing of the wiring harness for the floor shifter for my car. I was able to find a Picture on the Internet on a 65 Dart with same interior as I have. You can see how the harness was tejped to the floor. I just need to find out where the harness goes up under the dash!

Best guess is up the right side of the cowl and back across to the fuse block. It would have run above the heater box and probably tied into the bundle above the heater.

 

[66Dvert]

I must admit that it's a total privilage reading the stories from back in the day. It is so facinating to take part of the history behind our cars.

Re circles in the engine bay I found a minus sign with a circle around. What was the meaning of that sign? On the prop.shaft there was a long black marking along the rear end of the shaft. Any ideas what it meant?

Minus sign plus circle meant that your car went into the repair bay with something wrong or part missing (in the engine area) and was fixed and sent back into the line. there might be a check mark or might not depending on the inspector . normally it was a part missing since the hi-lo drivers always pushed replacing bin's till the last second to maximize their free time.

as for the console wiring I seem to remember it did go to the passengers side Kick panel and up then over plugging into the harness midway in the dash. It's close to the 66 wiring run without the courtesy light.

 

[m880]

Here is picture of the engine. Totally rebuilt and just waiting for a camshaft and a nicepaint job. But Totally Auto could just send the paint by sea! Two month....! The K frame is ready for paint too. I can hardly wait...

273 commando,sweetrayer:

 

[65dartcharger]

Minus sign plus circle meant that your car went into the repair bay with something wrong or part missing (in the engine area) and was fixed and sent back into the line. there might be a check mark or might not depending on the inspector . normally it was a part missing since the hi-lo drivers always pushed replacing bin's till the last second to maximize their free time.

as for the console wiring I seem to remember it did go to the passengers side Kick panel and up then over plugging into the harness midway in the dash. It's close to the 66 wiring run without the courtesy light.

Thanks for that explanation! I have the same markings in my 65 Dart wagon!

I have included pictures of the lower control arms. They have different markings for left and right side. My concern was if this is factory markings or if someone has done it after?

I also had a school bus yellow marking in the upper area of the K-frame. What was the meaning? I also found a red marking on the filler plug for the rear end cover plate. What did that paint splot indicate?

Once again, thanks for all the information!

 

[66Dvert]

Thanks for that explanation! I have the same markings in my 65 Dart wagon!

I have included pictures of the lower control arms. They have different markings for left and right side. My concern was if this is factory markings or if someone has done it after?

I also had a school bus yellow marking in the upper area of the K-frame. What was the meaning? I also found a red marking on the filler plug for the rear end cover plate. What did that paint splot indicate?

Once again, thanks for all the information!

lower and upper control arms had the same type of markings left for left top and botton and the same for right. it should be - for 1 side and | for the other pair. I know that it stopped being done in 67 since they went to a different assembly procedure.

school bus yellow is a part marking =v8. there was yellow, orange and white. I've seen yellow and white but have not seen orange. white was on a 65 dart /6 motor mounts, yellow =v8 motor mounts,most of the paint spots were of varying sizes depending on the parts maker's employee's

you got me on the orange filler plug. I remember seeing them in the dealership but don't remember what it signified

 

[kmccabe56]

lower and upper control arms had the same type of markings left for left top and botton and the same for right. it should be - for 1 side and | for the other pair. I know that it stopped being done in 67 since they went to a different assembly procedure.

school bus yellow is a part marking =v8. there was yellow, orange and white. I've seen yellow and white but have not seen orange. white was on a 65 dart /6 motor mounts, yellow =v8 motor mounts,most of the paint spots were of varying sizes depending on the parts maker's employee's

you got me on the orange filler plug. I remember seeing them in the dealership but don't remember what it signified

My guess on the red in the filler plug is that it either indicates that the rear end lubricant has been installed or that the filler plug is properly torqued. It might be both.

 

[65dartcharger]

lower and upper control arms had the same type of markings left for left top and botton and the same for right. it should be - for 1 side and | for the other pair. I know that it stopped being done in 67 since they went to a different assembly procedure.

school bus yellow is a part marking =v8. there was yellow, orange and white. I've seen yellow and white but have not seen orange. white was on a 65 dart /6 motor mounts, yellow =v8 motor mounts,most of the paint spots were of varying sizes depending on the parts maker's employee's

you got me on the orange filler plug. I remember seeing them in the dealership but don't remember what it signified

Thanks for the info! I will continue on the red paint splot. Info must be somewhere!

I took a Picture of the paint marks on the rear end.The lower code is the gear ration 3,23. But was does that White retangular paint mark indicate? There is also a dark blue tab the the upper right corner of the rear axle above the area where brake line goes. Not sure what it stands for! Any ideas?

On the picture you can also see the red front ends on the parking brake wires. What's the red paint indicating? Special precautions due brakes?

I got a package from US with the nuts for the quarter panel letters. After some work getting loose the old sealer they can be removed the the "new" ones. Looks like stock! The ones to the right is the replacement ones! Close but will do the job!

 

[65dartcharger]

My guess on the red in the filler plug is that it either indicates that the rear end lubricant has been installed or that the filler plug is properly torqued. It might be both.

I think you are right Kevin! Got the same answer from different sources. Seems that Chrysler have used red on certain areas where special attention was needed.

I hope 66Dvert might have any answers on your guess.

 

[65dartcharger]

Interior day is coming closer. Today I started to assemble the seat tracks for each seat. There is two different models. The silver zinc screws shall be up front of the tracks and the black phosphated nut w/washer shall the at the back. Now I just need to find out where it did put the black phosphated seat spring that goes between the seat tracks!!!!!:banghead:

The chromed seat cover protector is newly chromed and was in mint condition. The nuts w/lock washer has a special nut with two half circle rings.

 

[kmccabe56]

Thanks for the info! I will continue on the red paint splot. Info must be somewhere!

I took a Picture of the paint marks on the rear end.The lower code is the gear ration 3,23. But was does that White retangular paint mark indicate? There is also a dark blue tab the the upper right corner of the rear axle above the area where brake line goes. Not sure what it stands for! Any ideas?

On the picture you can also see the red front ends on the parking brake wires. What's the red paint indicating? Special precautions due brakes?

I got a package from US with the nuts for the quarter panel letters. After some work getting loose the old sealer they can be removed the the "new" ones. Looks like stock! The ones to the right is the replacement ones! Close but will do the job!

More guesses: I'll go with `open' or `Sure-Grip' differential for the white mark and "torqued" for the yoke nut with the blue. But your marks are WAY too neat for an assembly line axle ! Remember everybody on the line had multiple things to do during each assembly line cycle, and putting those paint marks on was just one of many. Probably the last thing the operator did before the line cycled and the axle was gone. A quick grab for the paint dauber, hit the axle and put it back to move on to the next job.

I think red was Chrysler's internal marking for safety related items. That's why you see red on some of the fuel line fittings as well.

 

[65dartcharger]

More guesses: I'll go with `open' or `Sure-Grip' differential for the white mark and "torqued" for the yoke nut with the blue. But your marks are WAY too neat for an assembly line axle ! Remember everybody on the line had multiple things to do during each assembly line cycle, and putting those paint marks on was just one of many. Probably the last thing the operator did before the line cycled and the axle was gone. A quick grab for the paint dauber, hit the axle and put it back to move on to the next job.

I think red was Chrysler's internal marking for safety related items. That's why you see red on some of the fuel line fittings as well.

Kevin, I think you nailed it! I know the markings can sees a little bit to perfect but the are exactly duplication of the old ones. Some other markd has that sloppy marks.

Re red markings I think you are right. It might be a safety issue.

 

[65dartcharger]

Going through the stuff for the red wagon I found the Carticard for it. Did all 1965 Darts come with a Certicard? I know that in 1966 the A-bodies came with the Certicard in a special card holder mounted on the right inner fender.

Where did they put it in 1965?

66Dvert! This is how the brake drums looked on my car when I bought it. Do you Think it would be possible to have that paint on the drums in all four corners?

 

[65 Dartman]

Going through the stuff for the red wagon I found the Carticard for it. Did all 1965 Darts come with a Certicard?

I don't know for sure, but would venture a guess - yes.

I know that in 1966 the A-bodies came with the Certicard in a special card holder mounted on the right inner fender.

Where did they put it in 1965?

Loose in the glove box.

 

[sliffner]

Great build! I have been part of a few different forums from mopars to RC rockcrawlers, and a few other things. I was always blown away at how meticulous and detail oriented the euro guys were. Well Done

 

[66Dvert]

Going through the stuff for the red wagon I found the Carticard for it. Did all 1965 Darts come with a Certicard? I know that in 1966 the A-bodies came with the Certicard in a special card holder mounted on the right inner fender.

Where did they put it in 1965?

66Dvert! This is how the brake drums looked on my car when I bought it. Do you Think it would be possible to have that paint on the drums in all four corners?

when I watched them paint cars I never paid attention to the brake drums I do know the tires were off and it was on a mounting fixture. so it could have gotten painted at the factory I was just amazed on how they painted them in the repair shop. by hand and without respirators, those guys probably died real early.. when I went to work on 72 ish they were using robots that painted everything unless it was covered so they darn well could have painted all 4 corners while painting the car. the unmolested 66 4 door parts car has 3 tan brake drums on it the same color as the car. 1 owner for all these years 1966 to 2010. of course it was a rust bucket according to the son of the original owner and I got it CHEAP. oh and it WAS a rust bucke with good parts on it!

 

[slantsixdan]

they painted them in the repair shop. by hand and without respirators, those guys probably died real early

Naw, they wuz OK; they filtered their air thru cigareets!

 

[65dartcharger]

I don't know for sure, but would venture a guess - yes.



Loose in the glove box.

Has there ever been a information sheet from Chrysler about the Certicard? I can't recall ever seeing any info on it!

 

[MOBodyman]

Has there ever been a information sheet from Chrysler about the Certicard? I can't recall ever seeing any info on it!

I don't know if this applies to the mid 60s a bodies as I can't recall a specific car, but I remember some of the owner's manuals having the Certicard in them. I also can't recollect how it was affixed to the manual. There may have been a page with slots that the corners of the card went into. I also seem to recall some taped into the owner's manual but maybe this was done at the selling dealer.

As always I love this thread, not only for the fantastic restoration but also for the stories about how things were done back then. And I'm continually amazed at the knowledge some have to share. :thumbup::thumbup:

Dallas

 

[kmccabe56]

Going through the stuff for the red wagon I found the Carticard for it. Did all 1965 Darts come with a Certicard? I know that in 1966 the A-bodies came with the Certicard in a special card holder mounted on the right inner fender.

Where did they put it in 1965?

66Dvert! This is how the brake drums looked on my car when I bought it. Do you Think it would be possible to have that paint on the drums in all four corners?

I'm voting `no' on the paint on the brake drums. I think that someone prior to you getting the car decided that it would be neat to have the brake drums match the colour of the car, or something close to it. I'm not aware that the factory EVER painted brake drums. The paint would help insulate the drums and the whole point of the drums was to dissipate heat as much as possible as quickly as possible.

What you're doing with your car is an entirely different situation. You want to show the world what a fresh off the line '65 Dart Charger would look like and in order for you to achieve that I would be suggesting that you either use something like Eastwood's Cast Iron paint on the drums or find a clear finish that would bond to the bare cast iron/steel of the drums to preserve the `new' appearance of them and not let them rust from humidity in the air.

Driving your car much or at all is going to quickly destroy much of the work you've done to bring this car back to it's original condition.

 

[66340SEDAN]

:glasses7:

 

[65dartcharger]

I'm voting `no' on the paint on the brake drums. I think that someone prior to you getting the car decided that it would be neat to have the brake drums match the colour of the car, or something close to it. I'm not aware that the factory EVER painted brake drums. The paint would help insulate the drums and the whole point of the drums was to dissipate heat as much as possible as quickly as possible.

What you're doing with your car is an entirely different situation. You want to show the world what a fresh off the line '65 Dart Charger would look like and in order for you to achieve that I would be suggesting that you either use something like Eastwood's Cast Iron paint on the drums or find a clear finish that would bond to the bare cast iron/steel of the drums to preserve the `new' appearance of them and not let them rust from humidity in the air.

Driving your car much or at all is going to quickly destroy much of the work you've done to bring this car back to it's original condition.

Kevin! You are so right. From the beginning my goal was to make an OE restoration and then use it. Now it has become something that I just can push around!!!!:banghead::banghead:Well, I might sit down and enjoy it at least.

Re the brake drums I know that Chrysler painted them red in the late 60ies. If they did it in
1965 I'm not sure of. I know for sure that I've seen several DartChargers with yellow brake drums. If Chrysler or an owner did it I'm not sure of! Kurt might have some answers to that!

MOBodyman
I don't know if this applies to the mid 60s a bodies as I can't recall a specific car, but I remember some of the owner's manuals having the Certicard in them. I also can't recollect how it was affixed to the manual. There may have been a page with slots that the corners of the card went into. I also seem to recall some taped into the owner's manual but maybe this was done at the selling dealer.

As always I love this thread, not only for the fantastic restoration but also for the stories about how things were done back then. And I'm continually amazed at the knowledge some have to share.

Dallas

I know that 1968 Dart owners manual had a paper pocket on the last page where to put the card. If they had the plastic holder in the engine bay for 66/67 they might had the card loose as 65 dartman said or that it was in a paper pocket loose.

Keith! That picture was awesome. Who is in the picture? The statue was nice I'm interested! I'll call you tonight.

 

[65dartcharger]

Working on the exhaust system tonight gave me some new thoughts! Somewhere in this thread I asked where to put the hook for the bumper jack. Some comments gave me "check the owners manual. So that what I did! After going through the owners manual I found out that they have a different bumper jack compare to what I have in my cars. Was there different bumper jack in different plants?

So the BIG question remains; how the hook was stored? My guess is that it was placed on the bumper jack or the spare wheel was placed upside down. Otherwise it is too Little space for the hook.

Any pictures would be great to get the idea how it was done.

 

[slantsixdan]

Old picture in owner's manual shows '60-'62 (maybe -'63) jack. Don't think that type shipped with '65s.

Probably spare tire rightside-up with hook skewered on spindle underneath wheel.

 

[kmccabe56]

Working on the exhaust system tonight gave me some new thoughts! Somewhere in this thread I asked where to put the hook for the bumper jack. Some comments gave me "check the owners manual. So that what I did! After going through the owners manual I found out that they have a different bumper jack compare to what I have in my cars. Was there different bumper jack in different plants?

So the BIG question remains; how the hook was stored? My guess is that it was placed on the bumper jack or the spare wheel was placed upside down. Otherwise it is too Little space for the hook.

Any pictures would be great to get the idea how it was done.

The picture in the owner's manual would have been a generic photo to show the relative position of the various pieces. It was never meant to show the "exact" pieces for your car. As for the stowage, you're right, the spare is upside down in the tire well, with the jack base fitting in the registry hole of the wheel, and the hook on top of that. All of these pieces are also going through the long bolt with the carriage bolt type head that slips into the bracket in the floor of the tire well. There's a large wing nut that holds all of these pieces tightly together and then the masonite fits over top of all of that with the stamped steel dimpled piece sitting on the top of that carriage bolt with a small wing nut holding that retainer in place and the masonite.