Dartin for Divorce

[DentalDart]

Well today sucked. I'm pretty sure I failed my final, by my own stupidity no less.

Tonight my daughter told me I need to fix her purple car so off to work I went. After fighting for what seemed like eternity I believe I got my bolt situation figured out... I don't think there was ever a bolt in that location here's a circled pic (2nd picture)

Then I got the fan an tried putting the shroud in, it definitely doesn't line up, just my luck right? Also the fan clutch doesn't fit either, I would take a picture but can't even get it in to do that? Again my luck. I'm assuming I have the wrong radiator, fan shroud or the radiator is mounted slightly off, unless these are the clips I was told I needed to get ?

 

[69_340_GTS]

Do you know that your motor sits a couple inches offset to the right? I just wonder if you turn the shroud 180°, the holes might line up?

 

[DentalDart]

Do you know that your motor sits a couple inches offset to the right? I just wonder if you turn the shroud 180°, the holes might line up?

I tried moving it around, I even cut the top plastic caution tab off because it was hitting the radiator inlet on the radiator.

After doing this and I thought to myself, what would savvy genius FABO do. Measure distance between radiator, divide by the radius of the fan then multiply that by .618 and use a CNC to cut out the shape it produces and attach it all perfectly... That's to much for the simple minded like me, so I thought again... The savvy but not genius FABO would fab up some resin reinforced closure of the shroud and tabs to attach perfectly.

Realized quickly I'm to dumb for that so I'll grab some zip ties and duck tape and put it over the door handles because I'm not smart enough to own or drive this car.

Edit- forgot to mention I measured the distance between the bottom and top tabs on the shroud which were roughly 14in and the tabs on the radiator tabs measured around 13in of distance

 

[69_340_GTS]

LOL

 

[Gearhed73]

You could also just build short metal tabs to tie the mount points together, this would be a step beyond zip ties.

 

[DentalDart]

You could also just build short metal tabs to tie the mount points together, this would be a step beyond zip ties.

Whoa, that's a lot of work and may be beyond my expertise and forgets the first thing about my car. It's a 10-15ftr, doing something the correct way would not upset the purists...

You're right though, I'll probably cut some metal tabs, then fill in the gaps with purple duck tape so it looks "pretty." Or maybe get fancy and cut some cardboard tabs in the size of the gaps and transfer that cardboard onto a plastic to cut out and place the plastic there.

Today is my last test day so I'll have a little more time these next 3 weeks to play with the car and get it back up and running. Which if it cools nicely and doesn't have much problems will be fun, I have classic collectors insurance which let's me drive 6k miles a year and I'm covered driving it to and from school, all for a big price tag of $116 a year!

 

[kursplat]

forget car for now. take and pass tests. i don't know what that shroud's out of, but i doubt it's the correct one. i think it's for a \6 with that "caution" thing on the top.
trying to do all these things at once makes for a steep learning curve. when you're all done with your tests, get back to this and just do the things to get it back running.
good luck

 

[69_340_GTS]

Also the fan clutch doesn't fit either, I would take a picture but can't even get it in to do that? Again my luck. I'm assuming I have the wrong...

It looks like the aluminum spacer needs to go away. Then you'll have room for the clutch. Plus this should move the fan back away from the radiator. Rule of thumb for fans/shrouds is that only about 1/3 to 1/2 of the fan blade should be inside the shroud. It's possible that you'll still need a spacer, even with the clutch, but it'll be a lot thinner one.

 

[DentalDart]

Tests done, hope I didn't fail. I have a pt at 2pm, but for now it's time to relax and I have the next couple weeks off besides having to study for national boards exam .

Yes the shroud is from a /6, I figured the 22' rad for the /6 and 340 would be the same dimensions, but they are probably not. That's what happens when I think

I will check on taking the spacer out from the fan clutch and see if it gives me room to get her in or if I'll need a small spacer to attach it to the fan still. Yea I've read about the fan not being completely sunk in the shroud, we will see if I can get it tucked nicely in there.

 

[DentalDart]

So I'm sitting here looking at my fan clutch, I think the mounting flange may be to long, unless i can bolt the fan to the clutch instead of on the waterpump, but unfortunately I do not think I can. I have looked over some previous threads where people had to move the radiator forward or take the radiator out to install the fan clutch. I have also looked at other fan clutches and it looks like there is a fan clutch with a shorter mounting flange for over sized radiators, if I can't get this one to work I could always try to get one of those and see if it would work.

Edit: Just did some measuring - Currently I have 1.5in between my fan and my radiator, I have 2.5- 2.5/8in from my radiator to where the fan mounts on the water pump (without the pulley on, so it will be closer to the radiator when I put the pulley over the water pump; it will push the fan closer to the radiator by about 1/8in). My fan clutch total depth measuring from the edge of the mounting flange to the edge of the clutch is roughly 3 5/8in, which is to big. I will look for a smaller one, which I may have found one on rock auto.

 

[69_340_GTS]

The fan bolts to the clutch. The clutch bolts to the water pump.

 

[DentalDart]

The fan bolts to the clutch. The clutch bolts to the water pump.
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Dang your quick! Figured out the spacer, it was attached to the fan not the clutch. I just took the fan off the car

But... Your fan has a large hole in the middle of it which allows it to slide over the mounting flange, mine sits behind the flange it seems .

 

[69_340_GTS]

It won't work that way. The pump turns the clutch. The clutch turns the fan. You need a fan with a big center hole and the big bolt circle to match the clutch.

 

[DentalDart]

It won't work that way. The pump turns the clutch. The clutch turns the fan. You need a fan with a big center hole and the big bolt circle to match the clutch.

Ok so my options-

1. Run no fan clutch and see how the cooling is with just the fan and shroud.
2. Purchase Derale 17118 6 blade fan (might have room to run this fan with current clutch we will know in 2 days as I already ordered it, fingers crossed)
3. Purchase Hayden 2794 if this clutch with the derale 17118 does not work with this clutch.

 

[DentalDart]

Also I was thinking, if my shroud has the mounting tabs 14in apart and my radiator mounting tabs are 13in apart, why not just cut 1in out if the shroud, plastic weld it back together, then mount it up using in the correct position.

 

[plumkrazee70]

Also I was thinking, if my shroud has the mounting tabs 14in apart and my radiator mounting tabs are 13in apart, why not just cut 1in out if the shroud, plastic weld it back together, then mount it up using in the correct position.

I wouldn't cut up the shroud. I would either sell what you got and get the correct one, or get a small piece of flat stock and make a little bracket. If it's only an inch different.

 

[Gearhed73]

Did you have an overheating issue? I would just run the pump and fan, this will be fine. The shroud, I would either make some metal tabs to center and mount what you have, or just run without it until you fine another one. I would NOT start cutting it apart (coming from guy who has no problem cutting stuff into pieces) Its not going to just overheat or something, you'll be fine. There is no need to make things more difficult for yourself. I would assemble what you have and get some cruise time in.

 

[DentalDart]

Did you have an overheating issue? I would just run the pump and fan, this will be fine. The shroud, I would either make some metal tabs to center and mount what you have, or just run without it until you fine another one. I would NOT start cutting it apart (coming from guy who has no problem cutting stuff into pieces) Its not going to just overheat or something, you'll be fine. There is no need to make things more difficult for yourself. I would assemble what you have and get some cruise time in.

I didn't ever check the temp with an external temp gun and my guage never got above "half way" but I boiled coolant out of the over flow line all over my garage after a short drive.

When I checked the rad it was all rusted out inside so I decided if I was cleaning it and getting hot I should just replace the old parts with new parts as they were probably past their prime. Which this was true with how the inside of the wp looked.

Since I had the coolant drained I figured this would be a great time to replace the headers and exhaust. Since I have the manifolds off I figured what better time than now to replace the spark plugs and wires.

See why I shoudnt "think"

 

[DentalDart]

If I pull the radiator to get everything installed up front I'll probably grab a new radiator. There's a brand new aluminum radiator for sale here in town, it's the right size with correct driver's side inlet and outlet on it. The only difference is the inlet is .25in larger but I can probably make it work. The guy wants 150 for it, I may offer 100 and if he takes it I'll see what I can do.

Honestly the car has been in the middle of the desert and hasn't really been driven in 5 yesrs, it's due for a little tuning up and regular maintenance.

I know I shouldn't cut the shroud, but I want it to fit and not be a hack job inside the engine compartment. I also don't want it moving around and causing more or to not work properly due to having a large gap between it and the radiator.

 

[Gearhed73]

I get it, I do. Most of us have been exactly where you are.
The speedway radiator looks like a good deal. If you go that route maybe just 86 the entire mechanical fan assy and run electric, kill 2 birds with one stone. Another consideration is what you'll use for a trans cooler, the one pictured does not appear to have one.

 

[DentalDart]

Made my 2x4 stands, they are 16in x 16in and are working great.

I only worked on the car for a bit today but got this thing in finally, what a pain in the *** for sure! I had to take the engine mount off of the driver's side and lift the engine but it's finally in! I'll bolt the passenger side tomorrow after studying. Then maybe by Monday I'll have the rest of the car buttoned up!

 

[billsdartgt]

going down the rabbit hole, just like me LOL its hard not to take care of some other item that wasn't necessarily a problem when you get going, been doing the same thing with my car, about to change all the steel freeze plugs in mine,

 

[DentalDart]

going down the rabbit hole, just like me LOL its hard not to take care of some other item that wasn't necessarily a problem when you get going, been doing the same thing with my car, about to change all the steel freeze plugs in mine,

I've been in the rabbit hole I'm sitting here thinking dang I should buy a cam since everything is off already anyways. I just don't know much about cams and which would be a good one for my set up. Also new cams mean; new rockers, lifters, springs and rods I believe.

Plus I should probably get it all put together, make sure timing is right, make sure cooling is good, make sure carb is tuned right and check compression before anything else is done to the engine. The more I read the more I am seeing that it's about the whole set up and how all the parts work together to get the best performance now just adding 1 part.

Although when I add stuff I want to add things knowing the 727, 8 3/4 rear end with 3.23 gears and sure grip are going in. These are what I have so that's what I'm using, no point in thinking something else will be used except those because I don't need to spend extra money on new parts when I already have some good ones. I want to pull out my 727 this week and check out part #s on the torque converter to see exactly what I have in the trans .

 

[Dave 74 Dart]

You haven't had the car very long and already have done a fair bit of work to it. I'd put it back together without the shroud and drive it. Enjoy it. Drive it some more. See how it handles/runs on a 4 hour cruise. After some serious drive time, then you'll know what your next upgrade/repair will be. Just my 2 cents.

 

[DentalDart]

You haven't had the car very long and already have done a fair bit of work to it. I'd put it back together without the shroud and drive it. Enjoy it. Drive it some more. See how it handles/runs on a 4 hour cruise. After some serious drive time, then you'll know what your next upgrade/repair will be. Just my 2 cents.

I knew I'd get the smart sensible response! Not what I want but definitely what I need and what I'll do. It's just fun looking at parts and trying to map the next move.

Fun for today. I ordered a new derale 17118 fan and it came today while I was studying. Was excited to get home and be able to take my mind off study material and work on the car to try and get it put back together... Not happening as I was sent the wrong fan

I guess I still have other things to put back together on the car to pass the time .