Fixing my belt routing

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1966 dart wagon

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ok on my 318 i have 3 pullys on the crank, one at the fan, 2 on the alt, and one on the ps obviously.

how can i fix this to run one belt alt,fan,crank and crank,ps

its really messed up now its running the closest pully to radiator to alt, and i believe middle pully(crank) to fan, then to ps.

the alt isnt orginal it has 3 prongs(2 wire) and i cant seem to find a diagram to wire up a 3 prong alt to my car with electronic ign :silent: anyone know this?

if i run the middle pully(crank) to the alt, i hit the water pump

the alt bolts have alot of washers and stuff to get by. how would you guys sugest i do this, alot of the pullys dont line up how they should where should i start
 
Can you get us a picture? Sounds like maybe the alternator may be sitting on the mounting bracket wrong or something to me. Pics would help out a lot...

-Mike :salut:
 
Yes pictures of your setup..You may require at least two belts due to your PS. Only one belt may be a bit much to sling the PS as well.
 
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there you guys go, the pully that is on the crank closest to the radiator goes to the ps which i just removed, i am waiting to order a new pressure line.

all i need now is for it to be nicer outside so i can finishing.....hmm i'm out of stuff to do :cwm10: waiting on the ps line
 
To me the extra pully on the alt is no big deal. (you only have to use one) Going with only one belt to run everything my not be a good idea due to stress or slippage. "I" would use one belt from the crank that lines up with your PS. The other belt, for your ALT and Water pump together. It looks like (from the pic) your water pump will not line up? If thats the case you can get a deeper water pump pully that will line up with your ALT and Crank. I can't see where your PS belt would go and line up with which pully on the crank.
 
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"I" would use one belt from the crank that lines up with your PS. The other belt, for your ALT and Water pump together. It looks like (from the pic) your water pump will not line up? If thats the case you can get a deeper water pump pully that will line up with your ALT and Crank. I can't see where your PS belt would go and line up with which pully on the crank.
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ya thats what i ment to say one belt on fan,alt, another belt on ps only

should i pull my fan (shroud i believe the thing with the pully) off my dart and try that??
 
In comparison to my motor. Your alternator is on the opposite side of the bracket that attaches at the water pump. The first ear on the alternator should be in front of that bracket as you can kinda sorta see in my picture. That will help out with some alignment issues. If you were to swap where its at to be like mine, it will probably line one of the grooves right up with the water pump. Any questions let me know, I'm 99% sure that will solve your alignment issue, then it will just be a matter of spacer thickness...

I have a power steering belt, and the crank/alt/water pump belt

-Mike

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Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :thumblef: Sorry its so dirty, but its ok for a daily driver i guess lol

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66 Dart, the only thing wrong w/your setup is the A/C compressor is missing. They designed those double pulley alts to go along w/the A/C compressors. Needed two belts to pull the A/C compressor. The alt will run fine by itself with only the one belt.

There is nothing wrong with how your alternator is bracketed. Cuda boy has some sort of aftermarket bracket on his motor. Probably didn't even install it himself.
 
Well, just to get everyone fustrated.. :silent: Here's a pic with just a deeper Fan Pully. I would think he has a couple of option's he can play with. (Pick One and bite the bullet) :roll:

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Yeah, I think he should try to make it look like Goody's Cuda - that thing's purdy!
 
Ace said:
There is nothing wrong with how your alternator is bracketed. Cuda boy has some sort of aftermarket bracket on his motor. Probably didn't even install it himself.
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Uhhh excuse me? Who provoked you? I never said his bracket was WRONG, i just said it was opposite to how mine is, thats all. And yea my 'aftermarket bracket' came directly from chrysler in 1972 as it rolled off the assembly line. Aftermarket Alternator? It sure is, however its the same case as the stock/original alternators are...just in chrome. Would you like to see some more pictures of 'aftermarket bracket'? I can arrange that. And "didnt even install it himself"?

Yea i'm sure at 18 i have all the money to go pay a shop to put the alternator bracket on the motor i built. :butthead: I work two jobs, do all the work myself, and use it as a daily driver. I've worked hard for and on it. your out of line comments have no place in this thread.

-'Cuda Boy'
 
Oh boy...Here we go again...Ace, you did "sound" alittle outta line for some reason....Some of us guys are sensitive... :notworth:
 
geez guys cant we all get along...and my setup wont work :cwm10:

ok i though i could swap the alt to the other side of the bracket...nope the bottom bracket(where you can adjust the tension) wont line up then, see pic


so me and my dad continue looking for pullys, i found one but its off a slant six and has 2 pullys on it, i figured maybe we could find a single, well i found one on a van we have, and it looked like it was 'deeper' it all looked good, i pulled off the old pully and tried to fit the 'new' one on. nope its to big around :cwm10: dangit so now i'm going to put on the double pully on the waterpump

ok pics wont upload i'll try later
 
1966 dart wagon said:
geez guys cant we all get along...and my setup wont work :cwm10:

ok i though i could swap the alt to the other side of the bracket...nope the bottom bracket(where you can adjust the tension) wont line up then, see pic


so me and my dad continue looking for pullys, i found one but its off a slant six and has 2 pullys on it, i figured maybe we could find a single, well i found one on a van we have, and it looked like it was 'deeper' it all looked good, i pulled off the old pully and tried to fit the 'new' one on. nope its to big around :cwm10: dangit so now i'm going to put on the double pully on the waterpump

ok pics wont upload i'll try later
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For the lower bracket...you could pull the bolt and pick up a longer one from a hardware store (correct threads). Put a matching sized spacer between the bracket and waterpump. This way it will match up if you moved your ALT forward??
 
1966 dart wagon said:
geez guys cant we all get along...and my setup wont work :cwm10:

ok i though i could swap the alt to the other side of the bracket...nope the bottom bracket(where you can adjust the tension) wont line up then, see pic


so me and my dad continue looking for pullys, i found one but its off a slant six and has 2 pullys on it, i figured maybe we could find a single, well i found one on a van we have, and it looked like it was 'deeper' it all looked good, i pulled off the old pully and tried to fit the 'new' one on. nope its to big around :cwm10: dangit so now i'm going to put on the double pully on the waterpump

ok pics wont upload i'll try later
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Bummer about that! One question for you though...What does your lower bracket look like? I posted some pictures of my FACTORY bracket that hasn't been altered in any way. You can see my lower bracket has a factory bend in it to move the location forward. Can you verify if you do or do not have that?

There are a couple variations of brackets that ive seen before. (my chrome alt is MIA because it had some warranty issues lol)

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well i never did check the lower braket, it is probably wrong concidering about everything else has been wrong. but i did fix it

i got a 2 belt pully for the crank, and one pully for the fan, it all lines up now, plus now i have the right amount of pullys on the bottom so it doesnt look ugly(maybe its just me) but i guess a bunch of washers is more ugly. :silent:

i just wanted to add...god dang goody your cuda looks awesome, and i love the chrome on your engine 69sig(jim) :thumblef:

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1966 dart wagon said:
well i never did check the lower braket, it is probably wrong concidering about everything else has been wrong. but i did fix it

i got a 2 belt pully for the crank, and one pully for the fan, it all lines up now, plus now i have the right amount of pullys on the bottom so it doesnt look ugly(maybe its just me) but i guess a bunch of washers is more ugly.

i just wanted to add...god dang goody your cuda looks awesome, and i love the chrome on your engine 69sig(jim)
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well atleast is all workin well now! Looks a lot better functional than making it purdy and it wont work. :thumblef: Thanks for the comments on my car, took a long time to hide all that wiring under the hood :silent: . I've spent many hours in that dang fender well, got some ceramic coated headers in the mail for it :D, lots of money and time! keep at it, all this stuff is good experience, I've only been messing with cars about a year and a half now so im learnin and asking for help all the time. :thumblef:

-Goody
 
I answered the reason why his pulleys weren't lining up, but nobody wanted to listen. "Just see the way mine looks" is all anybody can think around here. These things were made in numerous different combos over the years, so comparing apples to oranges doesn't solve the problem, as 66 Dart so painfully experienced. If he had the AC compressor in place all the puleys would line up for a double pulley across the A/C, Alt and crank. Also, that is the reason his alt mounts behind the top bracket. Sorry for confusing the issue.
 
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I answered the reason why his pulleys weren't lining up, but nobody wanted to listen. "Just see the way mine looks" is all anybody can think around here. These things were made in numerous different combos over the years, so comparing apples to oranges doesn't solve the problem, as 66 Dart so painfully experienced. If he had the AC compressor in place all the puleys would line up for a double pulley across the A/C, Alt and crank. Also, that is the reason his alt mounts behind the top bracket. Sorry for confusing the issue.
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Ace, Nobody is knocking you and I don't think he's "not" listening to you. Pics help people out. He does have different options to go with. As you should know as well, when things are changed under a hood sometimes there's no longer a right way. Your opinion is just as good us anyone's is. Let face it....it's up to the owner! we just give different idea's. It "will" work correctly and line up, he just "may" have to get a few parts OR play around some more with it. And yes, if not aligned correclty there no doubt that the belt will slip, snap, ware out or even screw up the ALT. "Your not confusing me" . Perhaps you should send him a PM. :notworth:
 
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ok heres what i think the problem is.... looks to me that you are running A/C brackets on your alt. and A/C pullies...


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goody has the proper set up on his cuda. see the deep pully. and where the alt. sits?? that is the way it is suposed to be... that is what would have rolled off the showroom floor with ps and NO A/C... end of story...


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although in the pic. below it is a factory looking set up it is the older style water pump and would be different then what you need... the brackets and pullies are different...

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