SlantedDart
Well-Known Member
Not sure yet gotta yank it outYou think you did or did not damage the clutch ?
Not sure yet gotta yank it outYou think you did or did not damage the clutch ?
LOL... I new that was you...Not hardly. I give people both options. An adjustable clutch is still better but some guys can’t or won’t pay for it.
Simple as that.
Non Hd yes. It’s got urethane on 3 of the six
Are you running an 18 spline 4 speed? I have a fresh from RAM rebuilt HD w/ a new disc if you go that direction. If you car has a QT bell with mechanical clutch linkage mounting. I had issues with thag POS for three season and sat out 2024 waitung for a Browell.
LOL... I new that was you...
I know they kicked you off as mad scientist years ago and definitely kicked you off as yellow rose but I didn't think you had worn out rat basted yet...
Really @weedburner is the only one you absolutely need to listen to on this subject. As he's the one who masterminded the whole idea, built it, developed it, the whole nine yards..Could you two stop diluting every manual transmission thread with the bickering? The adults are trying to talk shop : D
As always both of your technical opinions are appreciated and welcome.
Your pal,
J
Have a tkx 5 speed trans 26 spline 1-1/8Are you running an 18 spline 4 speed? I have a fresh from RAM rebuilt HD w/ a new disc if you go that direction. If you car has a QT bell with mechanical clutch linkage mounting. I had issues with thag POS for three season and sat out 2024 waitung for a Browell.
Is it leaking yet...Have a tkx 5 speed trans 26 spline 1-1/8
No not that I know ofIs it leaking yet...
Really @weedburner is the only one you absolutely need to listen to on this subject. As he's the one who masterminded the whole idea, built it, developed it, the whole nine yards..
And one nice helpful person....
As far as a body install, I did post a link there and it does have quite a few people with quite a few pictures...
As far as mad yellow rat turk.... lol..
I haven't poke the bear in a couple years now, l o l...
I'll just put this latest version of him on Ignore like I have all the other versions and put the chaos to an end...Right here...
Have a tkx 5 speed trans 26 spline 1-1/8
LOL... I new that was you...
I know they kicked you off as mad scientist years ago and definitely kicked you off as yellow rose but I didn't think you had worn out rat basted yet...
Really @weedburner is the only one you absolutely need to listen to on this subject. As he's the one who masterminded the whole idea, built it, developed it, the whole nine yards..
And one nice helpful person....
As far as a body install, I did post a link there and it does have quite a few people with quite a few pictures...
As far as mad yellow rat turk.... lol..
I haven't poke the bear in a couple years now, l o l...
I'll just put this latest version of him on Ignore like I have all the other versions and put the chaos to an end...Right here...
Got er out. Welded to pressure plate side. Fly wheel is perfect still. I thought the organic side would be wasted? Not sure what direction to go. I feel that the duel will take the heat but will be over clutched. The adjustable one uses a sintered iron disk which is hard on the street from what I hear. I’d rather have a real adjustable clutch but it’s about 90% street driven. View attachment 1716311940View attachment 1716311941
I feel that any relevant experience that can be shared will be beneficial to the small group of stick shift guys that are left out there. The very cool thing that weed burner brings to the table is data to back up his statements.
I have three season on my GTS with a tamer and there is no discrediting that. As I said 2024 is a wash because of the QuickTime rm6073 failing miserably.
If we didn't share our direct experience there would not be much point in having a message board would it? Well I guess it would serve for some of our antisocial members to pointlessly bicker in public. Surely everyone wants to listen to that crap over technical information from people's direct experience.... oh wait no they don't.
Naysayers and negative Nancy's stay home. LOL that goes for the racetrack too as far as I'm concerned.
I knew this set up wasn’t going to last very long after my first track outing.. things escalated quickly after I made my first pass.I learned this a long time ago the hard way.
That’s exactly what happens to sintered BRONZE when you slip it very much.
IIRC one of the very first trade names for sintered bronze was Vel-V-touch or similar.
You can not slip that materiel very much or it does exactly what you are seeing. It can’t take the heat.
That’s why there is sintered IRON discs. They will take the intense heat caused by the application of the clutch. Or if you slip it.
There is a HUGE difference between applying the clutch and slipping it and they ain’t the same.
I don’t know what to tell you about what to do that won’t cause massive butthurt and much wailing and gnashing of teeth but even Ray Charles can see you’ve got issues.
If you go back to what you are doing expect the exact same results.
Trying to understand this reply. Who’s the poser?Never agree with a poser. The results are posted above. Of course many posers on here are a protected class.
Trying to understand this reply. Who’s the poser?
I knew this set up wasn’t going to last very long after my first track outing.. things escalated quickly after I made my first pass.
As far a my butt is concerned. I know an iron type disk is the way to go. I KNOW I need a real adjustable clutch in this car but wanted to see if I could get away with a slip devise for a little before I break open the check book. May give Cale a call at black magic and see what we can come up with. I don’t have a problem climbing under the car to adjust base ect when it’s time to go to the track/ street. Drag and drive guys do it, I can do it. Just need some guidance.
Thanks for the input. Im definitely going to reach out to some people that race clutch cars. When my car worked for that one pass it was too much fun can’t quit now haha. I’ll update soonI have a very good source who says Cale doesn’t have many parts left to make a Borg & Beck/Long cover adjustable. If you can even find one of those covers any more.
You can call McLeod but my good source says most of the dudes answering the phone won’t even know what a BB/L cover is.
I’m sure Cale has some 10.5 inch Long covers that are adjustable but they ain’t cheap.
There is also Advanced Clutches on Idaho. Rob Youngblood. Like Cale, he is a stick racer. Again, not cheap.
I don’t have a good answer for you. It might help if you can get a sintered bronze disc with more surface area to help with heat. But that would be a crutch at best.
I have never done it but you may be able to use a sintered iron disc with what you already have for a pressure plate.
It will take the heat but I’ve never driven a car with a clutch tamer on the street so I’m not sure with as much plate load as these “modern” covers have may make it miserable to drive on the street.
That would be something to ask Grant about. He may have used a SI disc and knows what it’s like. Or maybe he knows of a better disc you can use than what you have and won’t be miserable to drive on the street.
I don’t like suggesting things to do I have not done. I do use a soft lock clutch on the street and it drives better than any clutch I’ve ever used, but you have to know certain things or you can hurt it pretty quickly.
Things like driving it on a trailer can kill it. You can trash one in one bad burnout (BTDT) and the track guys treat sticks and leaky automatics the same when prepping the water box.
I hate to see guys fighting clutches like this. It wastes money and time and kills parts.
And this is why guys quit running sticks. The vast majority of guys throwing out advice have never raced a stick car. Or they did it when tires were still wooden.
I was at the track last August and as usual I watched damn near every car in the stick class beating the tire and the car to death.
And they listen to guys who can’t drive a stick but they damn sure tell you what to do with authority. Ignore them.
I think I’d call Grant and ask him if a sintered iron disc will work with the clutch tamer on the street. I can’t think of a scenario where it wouldn’t work on the track but I just do not know.
I hope you get this sorted out before you go broke trying. Or you quit.
I hate to see that.
Thanks for the input. Im definitely going to reach out to some people that race clutch cars. When my car worked for that one pass it was too much fun can’t quit now haha. I’ll update soon
I don't understand your poetry : DNever agree with a poser. The results are posted above. Of course many posers on here are a protected class.
Well I’ll be staying away from the single disk bronze deal obviously doesn’t work no matter if it’s on one side or both. My thought process is that if you’re familiar with coyote stock NMRA they have to use a diaphragm clutch. So I need some insight on what they are using. I’ve heard SI disc which I now know is the way to go. But what’s the rest of the formula? they leave at about 7k and let the tamer do the rest. They also have faceplated trans which may be in the works. But I’m making a little bit more power then them and kinda want to keep it a diaphragm just for simplicity but if I can’t I can’t.