Tame my 4-speed Stroker....

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moper said:
Oh no, light aluminum flywheel with a steel insert. And yes, the pressure plate had a twin just in case, and had a special setup for him that took him some time to get right working with Hays. Ran a Jericho, and it was 11-teens at about 480hp. A very efficient car with a truly hyper-focused and intelligent driver.

The reason I said that is Jpar seems to think he should be slipping something on the launch. IMO, HE shouldn't. it should be in the pressure plate/disc/flywheel relationship and the chassis needs some adjustability to be maximized each time a clutch change proves fruitful. It takes a lot of time and money to get a car like that to get scienced out. And if you change a variable (he would add weight and run other classes) it gets a little more complicated.

I don't think doing anything by the pedal will really do much more than mask issues, at the expense of the disc. But again - I'll wait and see.
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Watch out, weed burner is going to tell you how wrong you are.


Edit: to your last point, the Clutch Tamer is much better than just trying to free ball it. I agree that slipping the clutch isn't the answer. At least you can control the slip, at the hit anyway. How you can control it on the shift is another issue. Unless you push the clutch in far enough to reset the CT. That's another issue.
 
moper said:
Oh no, light aluminum flywheel with a steel insert. And yes, the pressure plate had a twin just in case, and had a special setup for him that took him some time to get right working with Hays. Ran a Jericho, and it was 11-teens at about 480hp. A very efficient car with a truly hyper-focused and intelligent driver.

The reason I said that is Jpar seems to think he should be slipping something on the launch. IMO, HE shouldn't. it should be in the pressure plate/disc/flywheel relationship and the chassis needs some adjustability to be maximized each time a clutch change proves fruitful. It takes a lot of time and money to get a car like that to get scienced out. And if you change a variable (he would add weight and run other classes) it gets a little more complicated.

I don't think doing anything by the pedal will really do much more than mask issues, at the expense of the disc. But again - I'll wait and see.
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moper said:
Oh no, light aluminum flywheel with a steel insert. And yes, the pressure plate had a twin just in case, and had a special setup for him that took him some time to get right working with Hays. Ran a Jericho, and it was 11-teens at about 480hp. A very efficient car with a truly hyper-focused and intelligent driver.

The reason I said that is Jpar seems to think he should be slipping something on the launch. IMO, HE shouldn't. it should be in the pressure plate/disc/flywheel relationship and the chassis needs some adjustability to be maximized each time a clutch change proves fruitful. It takes a lot of time and money to get a car like that to get scienced out. And if you change a variable (he would add weight and run other classes) it gets a little more complicated.

I don't think doing anything by the pedal will really do much more than mask issues, at the expense of the disc. But again - I'll wait and see.
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What I read skips post 221, 222, and 223.
I don't think the issue is masked. I think it exists and I'm hoping the ct helps it.
As far as "we'll see?" I'm surely not getting a good feeling about spending all my time money an effort to put together a realistic chronology of ordering installing and saying if there's any results with pictures and Time Slips so everybody can piss in my Cheerios while I'm doing it! LOL...
 
Where I’m coming from is the opposite end of YR with post 225.

If the goal is “an 11”(and not the quickest ET possible out of the car/motor), then you can bypass most of the stuff required for the killer launch.......make enough power to go 116+, and figure out how to leave just hard enough to be in the mid-1.80’s.

No, it’s def not going to be the “quickest” way down the track....... but as demonstrated by several cars in videos.....it doesn’t take a killer launch to yield an 11 sec ET.

If you get the car to 60’ better than mid-1.80’s....... you’ll be deeper in the 11’s.

As for having any consistency bracket racing a stick car by going to the track a couple times a year........ I’m not optimistic.
 
I'm out you guys enjoy. I don't even know what this Thread is about anymore...
 
I'm going to hit the unwatched on this thread if you need me just quote me..
Jpar.. out......
 
yellow rose said:
Really? You're a clutch expert? I doubt it. If you had a single clue, you'd know how wrong you are.
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Here is why I thank you for proving me right.

1st, it’s J pars thread on something he wants to try, your constant posting about what he should be doing isn’t helping what he wants to investigate in trying.

It is not about if the Clutch Tamer is good or bad, right or wrong, it’s about trying something new to him.
It is not about if your right or wrong, but your constant badgering of what you think is right or wrong.
Your constant name calling for the only reason of disagreeing with you and insults are ridiculous and childish. Completely on helpful. Only hurting the thread and believe it or not, hurting you.

Your assumption above is just you shooting in the dark grasping for a clue.
You state you “doubt it” on me being a clutch expert, which I’m not but nether are you & when I haven’t said anything that could possibly give that any credit.

FWIW, I have driven clutch cars, pick ups, 6 wheeled double axle box trucks and on up since I’m 19, I have always had a clutch car since I’m 19. AND while that doesn’t make me an expert in clutches, I do know a thing or two about them.

The thing I know better than clutches is that you can not truly help or STFU and actually help. Your a narrow minded person that will bully people and the thread into submission via constant posting of the words “Your wrong” and bad mouth name call anyone that disagrees with you or suggests otherwise.

You also provide no real help when directly asked. No instructions, pictures, just gum flapping hazy blabber on whom you say you have worked with and talked to.

Normally I LMAO@you because of the disgusting level of apathy you display in your chest pounding shouts of supposedly having been there and done that on darn most everything everyone here is trying to do.

Your a want to be. An internet zero, not a hero.
Your abilities to teach are well evident with the total sum of zero.

I have learned more from my Grandfather in law in one sitting than the whole time here reading your dribble alone.
I have taught for a living in automotive to heavy equipment over 100,000lbs. Empty rolling weight.
Taught on the job training for a living since ‘99 and still enjoy it today.

You, have not a clue on teaching much less actually constructively helping. You ARE the little dog in the corner that just can not stop yapping away.
 
j par said:
What I read skips post 221, 222, and 223.
I don't think the issue is masked. I think it exists and I'm hoping the ct helps it.
As far as "we'll see?" I'm surely not getting a good feeling about spending all my time money an effort to put together a realistic chronology of ordering installing and saying if there's any results with pictures and Time Slips so everybody can piss in my Cheerios while I'm doing it! LOL...
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It’s just a butt hole Sphincter muscle passing wind.

J par, keep on this. Not many people, myself included, are learning from this. I have never had a need for such a device myself. I find this an interesting topic.

Carry on!
 
yellow rose said:
I'm quoting this post because this is a summation of all the issues in one, easy to read, simple post.

This is exactly how not to do it. How do I know this? Because it's how we all do it. It's how we start. Less than 1% of the car out there are sticks. Yet 90% of the keyboard heroes want to tell the stick guys how to do it.

It IS the tires. It IS the junk SS springs (had mine on for less than a month). It IS stone headed things like the pinion snubber (LOL @ at the guys who think these things work...don't post up your buddy running his...it doesn't matter he's giving up at a minimum of .2 with that crap). It IS cheap, non adjustable or 90/10 or 9 way shocks. It IS you can't tune your clutch so you try and slip the clutch. It IS your fly wheel weight is killing the tire so you have to lower the RPM. There isn't one clutch guy worth a damn in the country who will tell you slipping the clutch is a good thing.


It's all those things. They all matter. Any time you cut a corner with a clutch car, you pay a huge stupid tax. In broken parts, aborted runs, lack of consistency and just pure frustration.

It all matters. How do you control the motion of the rear spring if you can't tune the shock? That's like a carb without changeable jets. Who would try that?

For the guys with sticks, you have to know you just can't cut corners.

Get a quality clutch. You can now buy double adjustable shocks for practically nothing. You can buy light flywheels. You can get quality springs and taxation bars.

Do that, and you can tune the chassis and have fun and be competitive. Try cutting corners and you'll be on the internet taking advice from guys who've never drag races a clutch car in their lives.
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There was a time that you had to have Cale's $2200 adjustable aluminum cover centrifugal assist diaphragm/iron setup to be competitive in Coyote Stock. With the 'tamer now in play, 5 different off the shelf clutch brands are competitive. Cale's couple of die hard customers are still quick/fast with their centrifugal assist PP's and wheelspeed, but every single event so far this year has been won by a dead hooking ClutchTamer customer. This is a class where everyone has exactly the same spec sealed crate engine and identical ECU programming, clutch tune & reaction time on a .400 tree is what separates the winners from the losers. 10.10@130 running at 3100lbs from a factory sealed 302ci NA crate engine. Wallace calculator says they need 593 fwhp to go 10.10.

Grant
 
It’ll be interesting to see how easily he can get into the mid-1.80’s using the tamer....... and then where the ET ends up.
 
weedburner said:
There was a time that you had to have Cale's $2200 adjustable aluminum cover centrifugal assist diaphragm/iron setup to be competitive in Coyote Stock. With the 'tamer now in play, 5 different off the shelf clutch brands are competitive. Cale's couple of die hard customers are still quick/fast with their centrifugal assist PP's and wheelspeed, but every single event so far this year has been won by a dead hooking ClutchTamer customer. This is a class where everyone has exactly the same spec sealed crate engine and identical ECU programming, clutch tune & reaction time on a .400 tree is what separates the winners from the losers. 10.10@130 running at 3100lbs from a factory sealed 302ci NA crate engine. Wallace calculator says they need 593 fwhp to go 10.10.

Grant
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I thought Coyote stock had to use a diaphragm PP? Unless I mixing up some classes. Quite frankly, I'm not interested in that class or the FSS deal. The class everyone wants to replace Pro Stock. I'm not interested in factory supercharged stuff, or the Coyote engine, so I'm not up on the rules.


Edit: my math says 3100 pound and 130 MPH is about 530 not 593. Never trusted the Wallace stuff much.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Here is why I thank you for proving me right.

1st, it’s J pars thread on something he wants to try, your constant posting about what he should be doing isn’t helping what he wants to investigate in trying.

It is not about if the Clutch Tamer is good or bad, right or wrong, it’s about trying something new to him.
It is not about if your right or wrong, but your constant badgering of what you think is right or wrong.
Your constant name calling for the only reason of disagreeing with you and insults are ridiculous and childish. Completely on helpful. Only hurting the thread and believe it or not, hurting you.

Your assumption above is just you shooting in the dark grasping for a clue.
You state you “doubt it” on me being a clutch expert, which I’m not but nether are you & when I haven’t said anything that could possibly give that any credit.

FWIW, I have driven clutch cars, pick ups, 6 wheeled double axle box trucks and on up since I’m 19, I have always had a clutch car since I’m 19. AND while that doesn’t make me an expert in clutches, I do know a thing or two about them.

The thing I know better than clutches is that you can not truly help or STFU and actually help. Your a narrow minded person that will bully people and the thread into submission via constant posting of the words “Your wrong” and bad mouth name call anyone that disagrees with you or suggests otherwise.

You also provide no real help when directly asked. No instructions, pictures, just gum flapping hazy blabber on whom you say you have worked with and talked to.

Normally I LMAO@you because of the disgusting level of apathy you display in your chest pounding shouts of supposedly having been there and done that on darn most everything everyone here is trying to do.

Your a want to be. An internet zero, not a hero.
Your abilities to teach are well evident with the total sum of zero.

I have learned more from my Grandfather in law in one sitting than the whole time here reading your dribble alone.
I have taught for a living in automotive to heavy equipment over 100,000lbs. Empty rolling weight.
Taught on the job training for a living since ‘99 and still enjoy it today.

You, have not a clue on teaching much less actually constructively helping. You ARE the little dog in the corner that just can not stop yapping away.
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So again, you run your mouth, but didn't say where I'm wrong.

IDGAF about Jpar or what he does. I've already stated that the CT has a place. You've added nothing, because you can't.

If I can stop one person with a stick from breaking parts that's all I care about.

Got a guy in my shop right now, as we speak. He's been here every day since Sunday. He's here, because he listened to morons on the web. He's in my shop, making a video, to expose other morons how ignorant they are.

Had he listened to me from the jump, he be many dollars ahead. Instead, he's two months behind, over a grand out of his pocket and has been tossed from two forums...one that I got him reinstated, based on his video.

I'd tell you what it's all about, but you don't have any experience in that either. So you wouldn't understand. But the M.O. is the same. Lame *** keyboard posers and YouTube heroes all speak the same lies and suck in a hapless guy.

I've seen your type many times. I didn't need my grandfather totally me anything.
 
rumblefish360 said:
It’s just a butt hole Sphincter muscle passing wind.

J par, keep on this. Not many people, myself included, are learning from this. I have never had a need for such a device myself. I find this an interesting topic.

Carry on!
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LOL but you are the expert. New York running its mouth. Again.
 
PRH said:
It’ll be interesting to see how easily he can get into the mid-1.80’s using the tamer....... and then where the ET ends up.
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I didn’t really think a respectful disagreement was Cheerios pissing. I was curious, hence we’ll see. Guess I’ll go back to lurking.
 
Grasping at straws . It will take a 1.6 60' to reach high 11's with the current combo.
 
The mail lady just went by that means she's coming by the other way here in 10 minutes. She looks warm, I better grab her a bottle of water...
 
yellow rose said:
So again, you run your mouth, but didn't say where I'm wrong.
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Sure I did but your small narrow view thinks of only where you think I think your wrong about clutches.
I never said that.

IDGAF about Jpar or what he does. I've already stated that the CT has a place. You've added nothing, because you can't.
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I can add but not about the CT. And frankly at this point, it’s not worth adding in. Not even from the beginning. Only because the thread is about exploring the CT.

IF you don’t give a F about Jpar and what he is doing, besides making that crystal clear among other things, then why do you continue to post?

Your position is clear.

Got a guy in my shop right now, as we speak. He's been here every day since Sunday. He's here, because he listened to morons on the web. He's in my shop, making a video, to expose other morons how ignorant they are.

Had he listened to me from the jump, he be many dollars ahead. Instead, he's two months behind, over a grand out of his pocket and has been tossed from two forums...one that I got him reinstated, based on his video.

I'd tell you what it's all about, but you don't have any experience in that either. So you wouldn't understand. But the M.O. is the same. Lame *** keyboard posers and YouTube heroes all speak the same lies and suck in a hapless guy.
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Like yourself.

I've seen your type many times. I didn't need my grandfather totally me anything.
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No you haven’t seen my type since we have never met. You just, as normal, assume.

You’d be lucky to have family like I have.
If you actually had a grandfather to teach you something, you wouldn’t e trying to be an internet hero adding up to zero, belittling people and making Vague, argumentative, and stupid comments showing yourself as a poser.

Get over it dude.
 
Oh! And now that I think of it, your not adding anything to the help side of the topic. So again, why are you posting?
 
yellow rose said:
ET is hook. MPH is HP. Wallace is one of the only people I know who uses ET to try and get a HP number from it.
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Never said I agreed with either et or mph as an accurate indicator of hp. Just put that in to show how an efficient setup can inflate those numbers. I doubt those bone stock naturally asperated 302ci crate engines would come anywhere close to 593hp or even 530hp if you were to put one on the pump.

Grant
 
yellow rose said:
LOL but you are the expert. New York running its mouth. Again.
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LMAO!
Never said I was an expert.

But you go accusing me of running the mouth.
Certainly untrue. Obvious to all. Your just trying to start ****. I guess YR can never have to many spoons in any one pot. LMAO!
 
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