Fair enough but don't seem too relevant to a thread about the AFR heads which seem to be on par/replacement with a basic performance prepped 340/360 head. (375-475 hp head)
AFR Heads
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B3422w5
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Yawnnnn. Bla bla bla. Your dumber for thinking I’m attacking your boyfriends head. Reading is fundamental as well as understanding what you read.
Follow my advice and re read what I wrote and STHU so you stop making yourself look like an ***. Oh wait, tooooo late!
Nevermind, cry on! But without me, thanks.
You’re comparing the same head which is fair.
Your not comparing the same level of work don’t to the heads ports. Not fair.
The Bloomer head is larger in cc’s leading to a belief that the port is carved differently and is superior. With this info and other posted in the heads cfm results, I do believe the head, at least on paper, is better and has better ports. I don’t think this is an argument.
The smaller port has been done so by the company as a safe porting (if ported) so there is no issues and leaves room on the table. On purpose.
It’s just a whose port is better. The are route taken by the company for the hope of zero issues anywhere or the full tilt (or close to full tilt) customer ported highly developed highly researched porting.
Does this make sense?
This is what I was trying to simply say but fat head above who now is starting to loose his **** and drag other people accomplishments into his argument isn’t reading or understanding but just being hard headed for his big friend in secret- Mr. bloomer - I’m not crappin on Mr. Bloomer.
What you have as another difference is a readily available head (or soon to be) from AFR VS a guy custom porting as many as he can with his desired level of quality.
Big difference on the same casting.
If not, OK, no worries.
Ether way, I’m walking away from this argument as it’s stupid to make this point dragged out agreeing and disagreeing with the guy loosing his **** over his boyfriend’s cylinder head. It’s F’in crazy.
I say to bad the Bloomer head isn’t mass produced so everyone can get it like someone else thinks they can because they are on the shelf or produced in a day and ready to be shipped in the morning.
Good day gents!
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Dan the man
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Why do you guys buy heads and then port them? Why not just buy cylinder heads that already flow what your looking for and are cnc done
This I have done when the head was available.
At this current stage, I have complied a rising multiple set of heads since at the time, there were no trick flows or Victor heads available. I have had these heads a while now and IMO it would be stupid to sell the heads for a better set of heads since the current heads meet the goal.
While it is true a better set make the job easier, why sell a good set to our base a better set unless the current set is not up to task?
Seems like a move called chasing your tail.
If I need or desire to go faster than what I have, it’s a Victor head or a W9 head.
Often I have stated, if and when possible, purchase the best head you can for the job at hand.
If you want to make 420 hp with a stock head, and lease by all means do so what you want to do and the part you want to do it with.
A stock as cast head is capable. But many will purchase an Edelbrock head. That’s fine as far as I’m concerned. As well as a better move IMO.
If you can not port a head yourself than the extra expense is now also a consideration. This applies to any head. Bloomer does the porting for you which is great. If the bug bites you for more power and the head isn’t capable, step up.
So to you Dan, what’s your power goal (include the engine size being used) and what part are you planning on. List them and watch the opinions fly!!!!
Is there any/many as cast 300+ cfm sbm cylinder heads ? Even TF are ported.
We're not Chev were there's a huge range of heads for every cc and cfm range and even they get heads ported.
Trick flow for street/ strip mid-high 10's, Indy 360-1 or W's for anything faster.
Ya gets what's ya's pay for.
Why screw around.
Ya gets what's ya's pay for.
Why screw around.
I'd say SM for anything less, not much point running stock, even on a super mild build. (except for a 273)
Newbomb Turk
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Because CNC doesn’t mean good.
I’ll take a set of hand ported head by a pro than some off the shelf bullshit CNC porting.
Does the CNC porting match the application?
When TF dropped their heads I said “I hope they make the bare castings available so I can do what I want to them” and the place went wild.
I’d bet my *** I could take a bare set of TF castings and end up with a better port than what they have.
Hot riders always make **** better.
I wonder if someone made a cheap like SM heads but designed for 273/318, would it sale well?
Like a 1.80/1.50 ish valves with 360 port entrance around 140 cc flowing 220-230 cfm and small combustion chamber that would make good cr with 273/318, easily a 300-400 hp head.
Like a 1.80/1.50 ish valves with 360 port entrance around 140 cc flowing 220-230 cfm and small combustion chamber that would make good cr with 273/318, easily a 300-400 hp head.
Newbomb Turk
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Do the math. A 340 port sized head is too small for a 318.
Is the modern engine not positive proof that the junk heads we have are too small?
It should be obvious by now.
We need more cam timing because the heads SUCK.
Until the mopar community changes the way they think, places like AFR and TF will continue to produce undersized **** and we get to live with it.
It’s sad really.
B3422w5
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Boyfriend’s head, lol. I paid full price for my set of heads
You didn’t see me defending the original heads they sold….ever..cause they sucked. And they farmed the port work out to the famed Brett Miller…. We see how that all worked out. I don’t like anything, unless it’s good and worth having.
The only reason I bought these heads is because I knew the skill and expertise his brother Vic has. After watching his 67 stock stroke 340 with 1.88 valved 596 heads run mid 9’s for years, when I found out he was taking over this project and starting from scratch, I was all about it.
Most everyone on here doesn’t know him or his background, so I could understand the reluctance. But I did.
Now, with Rod posting actual time slips and combo’s on here, guys running 9.20’s with only 11+ compression, etc, etc, the only reason to be an *** now is beyond my understanding.
Especially people, who the entire time I have been on here have never ran a car down a track, just a mouth.
And the Bloomers brothers have sold a ton of these heads, and they are generally available in short order. They have had no issue meeting customer needs. Neither of them do this to make a living at it, my social security check every month is more than these guys make dicking with these heads.
Oh crap, thought I was out of this thread. Dang!
FWIW, I have raced down the track. More back alley racing.
You paid full price? Big deal! So what. What does that prove, suggest, hint at? Nothing, NOTHING!!!!
Get over yourself. I still can believe you can’t understand what I wrote. Even after explaining it to another in full. You’re comparing ports. It’s not anything more or less. But yet you carry on and on and defend your boyfriend from something that doesn’t exist & was never said.
You’re a F’in idiot. Everyone sees it but you.
So please reply yet again with outlandish and retarded replies and moronic assumptions and baseless accusations to further prove my point you’re an idiot.
Double clicking the unwatched button.
FWIW, I have raced down the track. More back alley racing.
You paid full price? Big deal! So what. What does that prove, suggest, hint at? Nothing, NOTHING!!!!
Get over yourself. I still can believe you can’t understand what I wrote. Even after explaining it to another in full. You’re comparing ports. It’s not anything more or less. But yet you carry on and on and defend your boyfriend from something that doesn’t exist & was never said.
You’re a F’in idiot. Everyone sees it but you.
So please reply yet again with outlandish and retarded replies and moronic assumptions and baseless accusations to further prove my point you’re an idiot.
Double clicking the unwatched button.
B3422w5
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Hey everybody, who is the idiot here?…lol
Just so you know, the heads John was porting for others had much less work than those on his engines. So who knows about what really was done.
Talking to him, he told me there are no track results for the heads he ported for customers that he knew of.
John reminded of me of a guy I know, he'll tell some of what he knows, but not nearly all.
9secRR
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so the level of porting that goes into the same casting of head makes it unfair? if it's unfair then why is there going to be a ''dyno head shootout'' to see which head is better?
Earlie A
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I didn’t think of this last night but all of my ProMaxx heads have been significantly ported. Weighing them will mean nothing at this point. Sorry.
dusterbing the peace
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No worries, thanks anyhow!!!
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I have a small stack of speedmasters here, but they are all for future builds. I try to keep a few sets on hand at all times.
Me. For thinking that people can have different opinions about cylinder heads and still discuss it in a civil, respectful way.
9secRR
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do you get them bare or fully assembled?
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Have thought about how the cylinder head shoot out would go down yet? What heads will you be comparing? Only heads from big name manufacturers as recieved from the manufacturers or can they be ported versions? If so can anybody port them and submit for testing? Will the heads be flow tested prior to testing? What will be the specs of the mule motor that the heads will be tested on? Are you considering a seperate thread for the shoot out? (This thread has some messy parts.) If you have thoughts about how the testing will be done, I'm interested to know if you can share. Also if you plan on starting a new thread can you leave a link here? Please and thank you.
BPE
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Boyfriends....... LOL. I could do a lot better fellas. Oh, and my heads are 200 cc's not 208.
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Rod
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Rod
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